Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The New Coffee Room. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
This one's for P*D
Topic Started: Nov 13 2010, 10:57 PM (114 Views)
ivorythumper
Member Avatar
I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Confessions of an Online Academic Research Paper Writer

5000 pages for $66,000? I wouldn't bother to write a page for $13.

BTW, the comments section is pretty interesting as well...
Edited by ivorythumper, Nov 13 2010, 11:26 PM.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Aqua Letifer
Member Avatar
ZOOOOOM!
:no:

Then again, I regard ghost writers about as highly.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Klaus
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
Quote:
 
For those of you who have ever mentored a student through the writing of a dissertation, served on a thesis-review committee, or guided a graduate student through a formal research process, I have a question: Do you ever wonder how a student who struggles to formulate complete sentences in conversation manages to produce marginally competent research? How does that student get by you?


I've mentored many dissertations and have been on many dissertation review committees as well, but I never had to wonder that. If I mentor a PhD student, I work with him or her on every single sentence they write in a paper or their thesis, and discuss with them multiple times per week. There is no way they could cheat. Usually I serve only on committees of colleagues that I trust to do the same.

A ghost writer approach can only work if the mentor doesn't give a damn about his/her students AND there are no requirements for real scientific novelty (e.g publications in first-class journals).

If you would want to buy papers that have actual scientific merit, they would be much too expensive. Having a 10 page paper in a top journal will often take about one year of highly qualified and specialized work. I'd estimate that nobody who is qualified enough to do so would do this for less than $100K. Probably even much more, since the ghost writer would jeopardize his own career by doing so.
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Axtremus
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
ivorythumper
Nov 13 2010, 10:57 PM
Confessions of an Online Academic Research Paper Writer

5000 pages for $66,000? I wouldn't bother to write a page for $13.
Why not? It's most of it is mere restatement or simple rearrangement or simple substitution of keywords of your previous work, it's really not "5000 pages," it's probably more like 500 ~ 1000 original pages with 5~10 different editions for each page.

Knowing what I know now and thinking back in my years through schools, had the infrastructure been there and had I the resources to employ some one like Mr. "Dante," I could have used services like his in quite a few courses -- courses that I found to be of no value but are simply there for "distribution requirements," courses that I could have completely skipped and be no less of a person today. Heck, I may even be a better person today had I actually skipped those courses and used the time to work on things that actually mattered or have higher value. Ditto quite a few individual "assignments" that had little to no value even in subjects that I found useful.

Mr. "Dante" said he does just all kinds of "assignment", as long as there is no mathematics. I wonder if there are people like Mr. "Dante" who do math, natural science, or computer programming assignments for students for a living? Perhaps skills in math, natural science, and computer programming are better valued elsewhere that individuals with such skills just find higher market rates for their skills outside of doing assignments for students; or may be such individuals are simply not good enough a writer to blab about it at length like Mr. "Dante" has.

Incidentally ... you guys with, like, a gazzillion posts, do you hire Mr. "Dante" to post under your guise in TNCR? :D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Axtremus
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
Aqua Letifer
Nov 13 2010, 11:20 PM
... I regard ghost writers about as highly.
Lots of important things can be said in a few bullet points on a couple of slides.

But, no, people won't pay for (or "publish") a few bullet points on a couple of slides, and others won't reference a few bullet points on a few slights -- you've got to to have a "paper," a "book." You've got to fluff out your bullet points in a ton of words just so people can reference your bullet points.

I see utility in ghost writers providing all that fluff. :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jon-nyc
Member Avatar
Cheers
Aqua Letifer
Nov 13 2010, 11:20 PM

Then again, I regard ghost writers about as highly.
I know a ghost writer, he literally spends the day in the starbucks around the corner. The guy 'always wanted to be a writer', but I don't see how this qualifies.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Piano*Dad
Member Avatar
Bull-Carp
I have a short 'writing guide' I give to students. It outlines my conception of good writing. I include a list of my pet peeves as well.

Quote:
 
After I've gathered my sources, I pull out usable quotes, cite them, and distribute them among the sections of the assignment. Over the years, I've refined ways of stretching papers. I can write a four-word sentence in 40 words. Just give me one phrase of quotable text, and I'll produce two pages of ponderous explanation. I can say in 10 pages what most normal people could say in a paragraph.


Somebody who writes like this would violate just about every codicil in my guide. This is the very definition of bad writing.

Yes, this guy's kind of service exists. On the other hand, I don't know quite how common it is, and I would be uncomfortable generalizing from the in-the-shadows kind of self-promoting puffery he is peddling here. Most 'cheaters' don't go to these lengths. And sites like turnitin.com have helped reduce the success rate of internet plagiarism.

I note that the Ph.D. he 'supervised' was in sociology. And much of the stuff he has written is in the softer disciplines.

In truth, I could do his job fairly easily. The pay does seem low though.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ivorythumper
Member Avatar
I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Axtremus
Nov 14 2010, 03:24 AM
I wonder if there are people like Mr. "Dante" who do math, natural science, or computer programming assignments for students for a living?
It seems a lot easier to hide plagiarism and academic ghostwriting in more technical and abstract fields like computer programming without detection. I could easily design and present a grad level architectural design in about 2 days -- easily good enough to pass the course.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DealsFor.me - The best sales, coupons, and discounts for you
« Previous Topic · The New Coffee Room · Next Topic »
Add Reply