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| Luke got jumped by 3 kids at school. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 12 2010, 08:58 AM (1,622 Views) | |
| Luke's Dad | Nov 12 2010, 08:58 AM Post #1 |
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Which is presenting us with several major issues. #1) The kid that planned it is Luke's best friend. The other two are good friends. Apparantly and supposedly Luke (Luke says he never said anything, and at first the boys couldn't give a reason why they did it, it just kind of came up later) said something the boy didn't like during gym class, came up with this plan and the other two went along with it. The "ringleader" is the nicest sweetest boy you ever wanted to meet. If there's a kid out there more sensitive than Luke, it's this boy (apparantly, he might be too sensitive). That's part of what makes this so rough. Just the night before, he had commented to his dad (Our Scout Pack Leader and friend. It was Luke and I that pulled the two of them into Scouts) and Mom (Karla's best friend) that Luke was his favorite friend. Ok, work computers keep coming and going. This is the third time I've tried posting this, so I'm entering this now, then will provide more details. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2010, 09:02 AM Post #2 |
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Holy crap! Is Luke okay? The emotional fallout is going to be ugly, I imagine... I'm so sorry, LD. How awful. |
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| brenda | Nov 12 2010, 09:10 AM Post #3 |
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Yikes! What happened to Luke? How hurt is he? Could it be that things got rougher than expected? Sometimes kids don't know how strong they are. |
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| George K | Nov 12 2010, 09:13 AM Post #4 |
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Amazing. Keep us posted, L'sD. |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 12 2010, 09:20 AM Post #5 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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So did the karate lessons help? |
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| jon-nyc | Nov 12 2010, 09:22 AM Post #6 |
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Wow. I don't know what to say. From my memory though relationships at this age are just as easily mended as frayed. Hopefully this will be behind them soon and they'll be best friends again. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Nov 12 2010, 09:23 AM Post #7 |
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This could be good news, in a way, right? Bullies are one thing, legitimate fights amongst good friends is another. (I got into it physically with my best friends growing up a handful of times. Boys just do that.) Are either Luke or the other kid still sore about what happened? |
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| Red Rice | Nov 12 2010, 09:23 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hope Luke is okay. Likely his friend thought it would be a fun/funny thing to try, and didn't really understand how harmful his actions would be. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Kincaid | Nov 12 2010, 09:40 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Social dynamics are so weird at that age. You also never know what was going on at that moment in a kid's life that causes them to do such a thing. I think sometimes boys get caught up in their plans, with little regard to what it all means or how it will shake out. The plan is the thing! Sorry for Luke. I think this sort of thing usually can be sorted out and put in the past - much easier than a bully situation. Frankly, if you know the parents at all it might be good to just start a conversation (not an accusation) about what happened and what can be done. That is, if the kids don't already want to apologize (even in a boys non-apology sort of way) and reaffirm their friendship. |
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| apple | Nov 12 2010, 09:52 AM Post #10 |
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we used to have a lot of fights when we were kids. I know that type of thing is not allowed any more, but I would caution against making more of it then what it is. I would definitely talk with parents to hopefully assure them and 'boys will be boys.. I hope everything works out and Luke is ok. |
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| Kincaid | Nov 12 2010, 09:55 AM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Two examples from my past: 1. When I was in 3rd or 4th grade my best friends (two twin brothers two years older than I plus their younger brother that was in my grade) got into some kind of argument. I believe I was being teased about something by one of them. We were walking down an alley way behind their house. I picked up a rock as big as my fist and started to chase after the offender. Because he was older and quite far away I realized I'd never catch him. As I passed by one of the other siblings who was just standing their observing, I threw the rock as hard as I could and hit him right in the stomach. I don't think it really fazed him at all and at that point I realized immediately that what I'd done was not right on any level and was too embarrassed to deal with it so I just ran home. I don't think any of the parents even knew about this - I avoided the brothers for a few weeks, not sure of what to say or do. At some point, one of them came up like nothing had ever happened and we just moved on, never mentioning it again. Later, when I was in the 8th grade at scout camp, one of my best friends (there were four of us that mostly hung out together, though this guy was perhaps the least close to me) and I were at scout camp. Carl was working on his marksmanship merit badge and was saving his targets. One mischievious scout suggested he was going to hide Carl's targets just to freak him out. I joined in - probably trying to be part of the group. We were trying to figure out where to hide them. I don't know why (Jealousy? Trying to "top" everybody else?) but I took the targets and threw them all down into the outhouse. At first I thought it was pretty funny. Then I started to realize just what I'd done. He was really upset (of course he was! What a stupid sh!t I was) and even was crying a bit. I never confessed that I'd done it. Not sure if anyone ratted me out or not and he never accused me or got in my face about it. I'm pretty sure he knew it was me that did it after I gave him a bunch of money to pay for more chances at the shooting range, telling him how sorry I was that someone had done that to him. He ran out of time before the week was up and didn't his Marksmanship badge on that trip. We later became even closer friends as we went thru High School. I'm not sure if we ever discussed the incident after camp was over. Who knows where this stuff comes from? If anything it just boils down to lack of maturity and not thinking things thru to the probable conclusion. Edited by Kincaid, Nov 12 2010, 09:58 AM.
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| Lurkalot | Nov 12 2010, 10:18 AM Post #12 |
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I was going to add some examples of my stupidity at that age, but they're much the same as Kincaid's. I was a sensitive, polite kid, but it didn't stop me from engaging in pranks/humiliation/violence. Strange times. |
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| Larry | Nov 12 2010, 10:31 AM Post #13 |
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Kids need to eat more dirt. He just ate some. As long as they're not bringing knives and ropes into things, let them fight it out themselves. |
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| The 89th Key | Nov 12 2010, 10:57 AM Post #14 |
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+1 I'm sure all will be fine soon enough, but am curious to the viciousness of the fight. Hopefully a good talking-to, to the kid and to the parents, will make this a situation that Luke and his friend will laugh at years from now. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2010, 11:00 AM Post #15 |
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Bingo. |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Nov 12 2010, 11:35 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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My son's absolute best friend now, in the sixth grade, was, according to him, a bully to him in first grade. He was terrified of him then and now he always wants him to come over. From where I sit, the friend is a wonderful kid. My advice is to not be too alarmed. I know it's hard. |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 12 2010, 12:18 PM Post #17 |
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I think Kincaid has it right.... The plan's the thing and it takes up its own life, carrying the boys with it. |
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| Luke's Dad | Nov 12 2010, 12:30 PM Post #18 |
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Damn computers... Thanks guys, and I think that you are all pretty much right, and things will work themselves out, their friendship will swing back and forth, it's what happens at this age. No, my concern is something a little worse than that, and it involves the school. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2010, 12:31 PM Post #19 |
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What's up with the school? |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Dewey | Nov 12 2010, 12:37 PM Post #20 |
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I remember when I was 7 or 8, a kid that was one of my best friends and I got into a fight. At that time, kids used to meet in the alley that ran behind the Foodland grocery store and duke it out, usually with a small audience. I don't think Jerry and I had anything against each other; neither of us had really done anything to the other. I think it just seemed like something cool and exciting and out of the ordinary to do (plus, the older kids were doing it too, so if we fought in the alley it was like we were bigger kids). So after school, we walked the block or so to the alley. Our two sides started cheering at us. I took a swing and hit him in the gut. He took a swing and bloodied my nose. Jerry's older brother jumped in and played the hero role, and broke up the fight. And that was it. We all went home. His gut stopped aching; my nose stopped bleeding. And no more than two days later, Jerry and I were friends again. I hope that Luke's experience ends up being as minor as that. It really helps that you're on very good terms with the other kid's parents. Give the kid a tousle of the hair for me. Let him know that what happened to him was way wrong, but tomorrow's another day - and then, or the day after, his friend will very likely feel really sorry and want to be friends again. |
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| Dewey | Nov 12 2010, 12:39 PM Post #21 |
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Ah, the school.... tell more when you get the chance. As far as my own experience, we had the good sense to pick a venue that didn't have the possibilty of teachers there to break it up - and more importantly, to paddle us for fighting on school grounds. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2010, 12:43 PM Post #22 |
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Yep! Usually, we fought at the bus stops, either in the morning before the bus got there, or in the afternoon, after the bus dropped us off and drove away. We'd go to a vacant lot, (dirt and sagebrush), and beat the piss out of each other.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Copper | Nov 12 2010, 12:44 PM Post #23 |
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You have to be careful with that. Remember when Beaver was being harassed by a bully? And Ward taught him to fight, but the bully turned out to be Violet Rutherford. Beaver and Violet ended up being friends, sorta. Things aren't always what they seem. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Cathys | Nov 12 2010, 01:07 PM Post #24 |
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These kinds of things can get scary and it seems a backwards kind of good thing that this was a friend. I hope Luke is okay and things are able to get mended without a lot of hard feelings. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 12 2010, 01:14 PM Post #25 |
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From what I've seen of schools, there's a danger that they'll either do nothing to prevent this stuff, or completely over-react in a no-tolerance, devoid-of-all-common-sense kind of a way. |
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Yep! Usually, we fought at the bus stops, either in the morning before the bus got there, or in the afternoon, after the bus dropped us off and drove away. We'd go to a vacant lot, (dirt and sagebrush), and beat the piss out of each other.

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