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Lying is Constitutional
Topic Started: Aug 18 2010, 08:57 AM (413 Views)
George K
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Well, at least you can fake things: "Stolen Valor" law is unconstitutional

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/17/appeals-court-panel-law-faking-receipt-military-medals-unconstitutional/
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A three-year-old federal law that makes it a crime to falsely claim to have received a medal from the U.S. military is unconstitutional, an appeals court panel in California ruled Tuesday.

The decision involves the case of Xavier Alvarez of Pomona, Calif., a water district board member who said at a public meeting in 2007 that he was a retired Marine who received the Medal of Honor, the nation's highest military decoration.

Alvarez was indicted in 2007. He pleaded guilty on condition that he be allowed to appeal on First Amendment grounds. He was sentenced under the Stolen Valor Act to more than 400 hours of community service at a veterans hospital and fined $5,000.

A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with him in a 2-1 decision Tuesday, agreeing that the law was a violation of his free-speech rights. The majority said there's no evidence that such lies harm anybody, and there's no compelling reason for the government to ban such lies.

The dissenting justice insisted that the majority refused to follow clear Supreme Court precedent that false statements of fact are not entitled to First Amendment protection.

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John D'Oh
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What a weird ruling. If there was nothing to be gained from being dishonest, people wouldn't do it.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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OperaTenor
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New Zealand's looking better every day...


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Aug 18 2010, 09:21 AM
New Zealand's looking better every day...
Baaah!
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OperaTenor
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Ewe didn't know I had it in me, did ewe?



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George K
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OperaTenor
Aug 18 2010, 09:21 AM
New Zealand's looking better every day...
You'll never get there. You're too old to immigrate.
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- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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OperaTenor
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Feh. Their opera's dying to have me audition!


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George K
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Aug 18 2010, 09:28 AM
Feh. Their opera's dying to have me audition!
Yeah, they'll let you in for a couple of months, and then ship you back.
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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OperaTenor
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Oh no. I got the impression the NZO chorus master practically wet himself when I told him I had thoughts of immigrating.

(There's a visual for you...NNTTM)


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Jolly
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This one sucks.

This cat didn't just lie about receiving a medal, he told people he had received the Gong.

The. Medal. Of. Honor.

Should have shot him...
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JBryan
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There are some other characters out there claiming they served with MACV-SOG and other elite units. Same should apply to them.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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John D'Oh
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When I was in the SAS we'd take people like this out.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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JBryan
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Silly Arse Souses?
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Rainman
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Curious how "community service" is often part of high school graduation requirements, yet is also used as punishment.

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Mikhailoh
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So OT's gonna lamb out on us?
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Kincaid
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HOLY CARP!!!
The 9th Cicuit is packed with retards.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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Kincaid
Aug 18 2010, 12:07 PM
The 9th Cicuit is packed with retards.
something like 82% of their MAJORITY decisions are overturned, and 50% of their UNANIMOUS decisions are overturned.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Ian
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Someone should do something about Tom Berenger masquerading as a sniper in those movies.

One shot, one kill, no exceptions. - that's the tagline. I've got an exception for you, Berenger.

Anyhow, I think the punishment's good. Helping Veterans.
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OperaTenor
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John D'Oh
Aug 18 2010, 10:28 AM
When I was in the SAS we'd take people like this out.
I really don't think this is the time or place to hear about your dating exploits.


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jon-nyc
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There's a difference between 'lying is constitutional' and 'banning lying is unconstitutional'.

In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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John D'Oh
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Aug 18 2010, 04:24 PM
John D'Oh
Aug 18 2010, 10:28 AM
When I was in the SAS we'd take people like this out.
I really don't think this is the time or place to hear about your dating exploits.
As we said in the service, He Who Dares, Doesn't Tell.

Or something.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
Statiscal Analysis Services?
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
There is an entity jokingly referred to as "The Seal Protective Society" or "SPS". Since there are so few SEALs, with the exception of Meats, most of the guys know each other, or at least know of each other.

OTOH, there are lots of guys in bars who claim to have been SEALs.

The SPS takes a very dim view of such behavior.
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JBryan
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We had a guy working here once who claimed to have been a Navy SEAL. Judging from his generous proportions it would likely have been more like WHALE.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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John D'Oh
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The Air in my 'Special Air Service' is hot air.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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