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Obama supports Cordoba House; This will bite him big time
Topic Started: Aug 14 2010, 05:13 AM (994 Views)
Larry
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Obviously, if it were a serious possibility that downtown Manhattan would institute Sharia law as a result of this building, my view would change. The person writing such nonsense has clearly not been down there recently.



Jeff, there is more to this world than New York City. No one said this building will establish Sharia Law. That effort will take place elsewhere. The building is simply a "statement" being made of their "victory over the enemy", and as they continue their march to use our laws against us to defeat us - something that is being done with the help of leftwing morons like Big John and those who have his crippled view of things - the significance of this mosque will become more evident.
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Aug 14 2010, 09:05 AM
There are things that are against the law George. Islam is legal. So is www.godhatesfags.com . Can't you do better than trot out straw men?

You're nuttier than squirrel sh!t. This has nothing to do with whether islam is legal or not.

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Mikhailoh
Aug 14 2010, 09:06 AM
Unbelieveable, isn't it? Especially bj supporting a culture that would hang him.
No, he's supporting a rather straightforward application of the bill of rights, Larry's rant notwithstanding.
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Larry
Aug 14 2010, 09:12 AM
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Obviously, if it were a serious possibility that downtown Manhattan would institute Sharia law as a result of this building, my view would change. The person writing such nonsense has clearly not been down there recently.



Jeff, there is more to this world than New York City. No one said this building will establish Sharia Law. That effort will take place elsewhere. The building is simply a "statement" being made of their "victory over the enemy", and as they continue their march to use our laws against us to defeat us - something that is being done with the help of leftwing morons like Big John and those who have his crippled view of things - the significance of this mosque will become more evident.
You want to undermine the economic power of Islam? Stop driving a car and buying their oil. That's where the money for the Cordoba house comes from.
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trust me mik, in a world of your choosing I'd be at least behind bars or lynched. I am very clear on that.





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If that is what you got out of anything I have ever said you are clearly an imbecile.
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Even Fox News has to support basic and elementary religious freedom. There are already two very small mosques a few blocks from the GZ site:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/14/peter-king-gz-mosques/

Fox Hosts Agree With Obama’s Defense Of Mosque: ‘He Has To Stand Up For Our Constitution’
Reacting to President Obama’s forceful defense of Muslims’ rights to build a new Islamic community center near Ground Zero, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) — who believes there are “too many mosques in this country” — said, “It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero.” King’s statement underscores one of the least understood facts of the new project: there is already a mosque near Ground Zero.

Today, the New York Times reports on Masjid Manhattan (located four blocks from Ground Zero) and Masjid al-Farah (located 12 blocks from Ground Zero):

But what the two mosques have in common — besides the sense of celebration and camaraderie that comes at the beginning of Ramadan, the holiest month of the Islamic calendar, in which Muslims fast from sunup to sundown, give alms and focus on self-improvement — is that both have existed for decades, largely unnoticed, blocks from the World Trade Center site.

The Times goes on to note, “Both mosques — essentially one-room operations — routinely turn people away for lack of space.” And thus, the need for a new, larger location.

The unique aspect of the Cordoba House is not the mosque, but rather the fact it will “house a cultural centre, a 500-seat performing arts centre, culinary school, exhibition space, swimming pool, gym, basketball court, restaurant, library and art studios.” The vision of the project spearheaded by Imam Abdul Faisal Rauf is that it will function like the nearby Jewish-run cultural center, which had a role “in helping the Jewish community become part of mainstream America.” Rauf insists the facility “will serve as a YMCA-type community center for interfaith bridge-building.”

Obama’s defense of the mosque has found some support on the right. Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson said Obama’s comments were “ultimately the right thing to do,” adding, “Obama is correct that the way to marginalize radicalism is to respect the best traditions of Islam and protect the religious liberty of Muslim Americans.”

Even on Fox News this morning, the Fox & Friends weekend hosts all agreed that Obama is performing the job that’s required of him. “Obama has to stand up for religious freedom,” said co-host Alisyn Camerota. “He has to stand up for our Constitution,” co-host Dave Briggs offered, to which co-host Clayton Morris added, “That’s the job he gets…defend the Constitution.”
Edited by Jeff, Aug 14 2010, 10:34 AM.
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Aug 14 2010, 09:17 AM
Mikhailoh
Aug 14 2010, 09:06 AM
Unbelieveable, isn't it? Especially bj supporting a culture that would hang him.
No, he's supporting a rather straightforward application of the bill of rights, Larry's rant notwithstanding.
No he's not. And from what I'm reading neither one of you have a f*cking clue what the gill of rights says.

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Jeff, this has nothing whatsoever to do with religious freedom.
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Larry
Aug 14 2010, 10:44 AM
Jeff, this has nothing whatsoever to do with religious freedom.
The same way that striking down Prop 8 has nothing to do with civil rights?
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You're the one that thinks it's a civil right to butt f*ck, not me.

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Would the same arguments presented on this thread apply, if Muslims wanted to purchase space in the to-be-constructed "Freedom Tower" at ground zero?

How about if Muslims decided to purchase (assuming they could purchase, and not lease) the entire top floor, or. . . the entire building?

Seems that there is difficulty in determining values, hiding behind the god of money, then protected by the constitution.
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Axtremus
Aug 14 2010, 06:27 AM
Good for Obama.

It probably is a politically unpopular stance to support the NYC Cordoba House. Obama could have opposed it vocally, or he could have kept silence if political popularity is all that he is concerned about.

But Obama didn't take any of those easier paths. He stated his support for the NYC Cordoba House project publicly.

That, Mik, is an act on principle.

You don't have to agree with his principle, but you should at least acknowledge that he took a principled stance on this one.
A principled approach? A couple of weeks ago Obie's WH said it would have no comment on what is a local matter.

George even posted on it.

What exact "principle" are you talking about? The principle of pandering under pressure?
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Obama says he was voting present wasn't endorsing the "mosque."

President Barack Obama on Saturday sought to defuse the controversy over his remarks on plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero, insisting that he wasn’t endorsing the specific project but making a general plea for religious tolerance toward all.

"In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion,” Obama told reporters Saturday when asked about his remarks at a White House dinner marking the start of Ramadan.

“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Obama continued. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about. And I think it's very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about."

But his comments Friday night were widely interpreted as an endorsement of plans to build a mosque a few blocks away from where nearly 3,000 Americans perished at the hands of Islamic terrorists on 9/11 – an interpretation the White House hadn't disputed, up until Obama’s comments in Florida.
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This support is astounding.

My understanding is that the folks financing this mosque are very likely the people behind the 9/11 attacks.

We are at war with them.

Let me repeat.

We are at war with them.

What is going on here? Why is there little or no interest in this?

I assume I totally misunderstand.

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Aug 14 2010, 02:05 PM


My understanding is that the folks financing this mosque are very likely the people behind the 9/11 attacks.
Please document.
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Aug 14 2010, 02:13 PM
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Aug 14 2010, 02:05 PM


My understanding is that the folks financing this mosque are very likely the people behind the 9/11 attacks.
Please document.

To the best of my knowledge there is no documentation.

As I said before I don't follow all the breathless details, but my understanding is that none of us (including Mr. Obama) knows who is building this building.

Which is the problem.

At best I could understand neutrality, but support for an unknown financier is kind of nuts given that we are at war with the suspected financiers.

My assumption, based on reading a handful of web stories, is that the financing is being kept secret for a reason. And after all the noise you have to wonder why it remains secret.

This isn't the Sisters of Charity that we are talking about here. They aren't building a hospital or orphanage. There is reason to be suspicious especially when they act suspiciously.

There is plenty of noise about this if you would like to read it:

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/1594/a-mosque-grows-near-brooklyn

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/22/lazio.muslim.center/index.html?iref=allsearch

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Palin-Refudiates-Mosque-Near-Ground-Zero-98749919.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-08-11-vitullo11_ST_N.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-08-03/ground-zero-mosque-plans-move-forward-after-key-vote.html
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As I said before I don't follow all the breathless details, but my understanding is that none of us (including Mr. Obama) knows who is building this building.
Simple: the building will be built by properly licensed and insured general contractor and subcontractors -- the state and city of New York will see to that.

See, that isn't so hard, now, is it?
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Aug 14 2010, 02:00 PM
Obama says he was voting present wasn't endorsing the "mosque."

President Barack Obama on Saturday sought to defuse the controversy over his remarks on plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero, insisting that he wasn’t endorsing the specific project but making a general plea for religious tolerance toward all.

"In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion,” Obama told reporters Saturday when asked about his remarks at a White House dinner marking the start of Ramadan.

“I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Obama continued. “I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about. And I think it's very important as difficult as some of these issues are that we stay focused on who we are as a people and what our values are all about."

But his comments Friday night were widely interpreted as an endorsement of plans to build a mosque a few blocks away from where nearly 3,000 Americans perished at the hands of Islamic terrorists on 9/11 – an interpretation the White House hadn't disputed, up until Obama’s comments in Florida.
Simple: It's the " I will defend to the death your right to say it" principle.
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Aug 14 2010, 04:28 PM
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As I said before I don't follow all the breathless details, but my understanding is that none of us (including Mr. Obama) knows who is building this building.
Simple: the building will be built by properly licensed and insured general contractor and subcontractors -- the state and city of New York will see to that.

See, that isn't so hard, now, is it?

Sorry for not being clear.

The question is who is supplying the money to build the building?

There seems to be some suspision that it may the folks with whom we are at war.
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Aug 14 2010, 04:31 PM
Simple: It's the " I will defend to the death your right to say it" principle.

I'm sure this is all great fun for you.

But it's not all that simple.

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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


The Constitution protects the US and its citizens. The people who are paying for this building are unknown and are possibly not US citizens.

So forget the Constitution.

Unless of course the people in question are in the process of trying to destroy the Constitution.

In that case the president is supposed to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.

Not the people who seek to destroy it.

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Aug 14 2010, 04:31 PM
Simple: It's the " I will defend to the death your right to say it" principle.
Which, if you've looked, I support too. And, I support the right of whomever to build whatever they want, wherever - as long as the law is maintained, and no zoning violations occur. I said that several days ago.

I also said "What's legal isn't necessarily what's proper."

But that's not the point of this thread.

The article Mik quoted said:
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President Obama Supports 'Ground Zero Mosque'

David Knowles

(Aug. 13) -- President Barack Obama gave a thumbs up today to a proposed Islamic community center and mosque that is slated to be built two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks in lower Manhattan.

I don't know where that article came from, but that's distinctly different from the article that came out today.
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Oh, it's that extremist Associated (with terrorists) Press misrepresenting the president's words - again.

I should have guessed.
Edited by George K, Aug 14 2010, 04:57 PM.
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Aug 14 2010, 10:33 AM
The unique aspect of the Cordoba House is not the mosque, but rather...
So it is a mosque, then? I have been duped.
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