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Obama supports Cordoba House; This will bite him big time
Topic Started: Aug 14 2010, 05:13 AM (993 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Suicide. The day Obama's approval rating plummeted.

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President Obama Supports 'Ground Zero Mosque'

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(Aug. 13) -- President Barack Obama gave a thumbs up today to a proposed Islamic community center and mosque that is slated to be built two blocks from the site of the 9/11 attacks in lower Manhattan.

"Let me be clear," Obama said at a White House dinner celebrating the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, "as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.

"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," Obama said, according to CNN.

Obama's remarks drew a prompt response from Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "President Obama is wrong," said King, The Associated Press reported. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque, they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much."

The proposed construction of the Cordoba House Islamic Center has divided U.S. politicians and the public. Obama's remarks follow a line of argument put forth by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who made an impassioned defense of the construction of the Islamic center in a speech delivered on Governor's Island.

Politicians such as Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich have opposed the mosque, citing their view that the former site of the World Trade center is "hallowed ground" and that building Cordoba House in such close proximity is an affront to the memory of those who died in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"This is America," Obama declared today, "and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our founders must endure."

New York's Landmarks Preservation Commission has cleared the way for construction of the Islamic center, which will occupy the site that once housed a Burlington Coat Factory outlet store, but the state's governor, David Paterson, has suggested that other land might be made available to the developers of the project.
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How does he feel about the gay bar?
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blondie
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Yeah right. When he, Michelle and the girls fly up regular like, together swim in their pool, play basketball on their courts, continue supporting it post presidency like, ... then I'll believe his support for the project.

Hot air.
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Well, then I'll believe the allegations that he's a Muslim. :lol2:

(Which furor he just gave whole new legs to, on an issue of local jurisdiction)
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Ramadan is a reminder that Islam has always been part of America


What a tramp.
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blondie
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How the heck will this 'community' centre benefit it's community? I'll answer that - It won't.
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Man, will I see the day you folks vote in a person of substance as President?
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blondie
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I'm soooo bad .....
I've this vision of tuxedo'd politicians gorging themselves with meatballs during their celebratory Ramadan dinner, chatting briefly of customs .. fasting e.g. ...
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Good for Obama.

It probably is a politically unpopular stance to support the NYC Cordoba House. Obama could have opposed it vocally, or he could have kept silence if political popularity is all that he is concerned about.

But Obama didn't take any of those easier paths. He stated his support for the NYC Cordoba House project publicly.

That, Mik, is an act on principle.

You don't have to agree with his principle, but you should at least acknowledge that he took a principled stance on this one.
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Greg Gutfeld has collected a fair amount of cash for his Gay Bar (current winning name "The Outfidel"). I won't hold my breath to see if the president is quite as principled should that come to pass.
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This will bite him big time


Naw.

People who do not support the constitutional right to the free expression of religion are not likely to be Obama supporters, Cordoba House or otherwise. This won't change anything.
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How dare he uphold the 1st Amendment. What audacity.





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Aug 14 2010, 07:56 AM
How dare he uphold the 1st Amendment. What audacity.
Also, the "Cordoba house" may get more 1st amendment than they expected. It will possibly be a frequent site of protest from other groups.
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A principled approach? Not in my view. An utter capitulation to some warped view of political correctness is more like it. Judging by the crowd that is supporting it I know I'm on the right side.
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[Jeff:] Good! That's the kind of energy that NYC thrives on! Dissent should always have a voice lest the truth gets silenced too.
Edited by Big John, Aug 14 2010, 08:23 AM.





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Mikhailoh
Aug 14 2010, 08:21 AM
An utter capitulation to some warped view of political correctness is more like it.
Oh come on, you can dislike it all you want, but its quite obvious from the most casual reading of the constitution that the Federal Government can only have one view on this topic.
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The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the rock in the GOP's craw. They profess to want free markets and freedom this and freedom that, as long as it's narrowly defined.

I have muslim friends at school. They were born here. They are American citizens. they aren't radical. they think 9/11 was horrible and to a large extent live in fear for their safety because of how they look. They just want to get their degrees and contribute.





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Aug 14 2010, 08:30 AM
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the rock in the GOP's craw. They profess to want free markets and freedom this and freedom that, as long as it's narrowly defined.
In which the Economist discusses this very phenomenon:

The New Political Corectness

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This is something Republicans used to believe in. George Bush senior criticised "a movement [that would] declare certain topics 'off-limits', certain expressions 'off-limits', even certain gestures 'off-limits'." The entire argument against political correctness held that women and minorities didn't have the right not to be offended. But now that its own constituents feel offended, the right is suddenly arguing in favour of sensitivity. Again, people who lost relatives on September 11th feel a personal loss, and society generally agrees on how to protect someone who's lost a loved one. But what about the rest of us? Do all Americans need sensitivity training, on how to deal with other Americans who might feel particularly hurt by September 11th? Should universities come up with a code of how to avoid saying or doing the wrong thing around September 11th? Now that the Republicans have come to embrace this form of political correctness, maybe both parties can have a sensitivity summit, where they can agree on what's off-limits in America. Maybe they can draw up a curriculum.


It's something I have seen on this very Forum. Antipathy toward "Political Correctness" goes out the window as soon as anyone says "Wingnut" or "Teabagger".
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Yeah, you'll hear 'it's one thing to be politically correct, its another to expect someone not to be rude'. And they don't see the problem there. To refrain from offending me is just everyday politeness. To refrain from offending others (of a different stripe) is political correctness.
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I find it quite interesting to watch how you leftwing fruitcakes pick and choose what and when you apply the 1st amendment to, and how you mangle and chew it up in the process - never once getting it right, by the way..

When a kid in mugwump Iowa wants to thank God for helping her make it through school in her valedictorian speech, why that's just *terrible*, because of "separation of church and state"!!!!!! even though any blind fool can see she isn't establishing a state religion. Any and every public mention of God or religion you whine and cry like a bunch of babies - it must be CRUSHED at all costs!!!!!

But when a situation like this occurs, all of a sudden you start thumping your chests about the 1st amendment.

You addled brained, politically and historically ignorant twits..

The very name Cordoba House is a direct slap in our faces, and you leftwing goobers don't even seem to know it. Here is why they chose that name:

"Cordoba was, of course, the seat of the caliphate established in what is now modern Spain after the Islamic invasion from North Africa in the 8th century A.D. The medieval occupation of Spain – “al-Andalus” – is considered by Islamic theorists to have been an inevitable step in the manifest destiny of Islam, and its eventual reversal through the lengthy European “Reconquista” a tragic but temporary triumph of the infidels. The great mosque at Cordoba was built on the foundation of a Christian cathedral, and when Europeans retook Cordoba in the 13th century they turned the magnificent mosque back into a cathedral.
There is no question that the opulence and beauty of the mosque were the products of Muslim builders and artists. But there is also no question that the mosque at Cordoba represents a history of conquest and reconquest that, from the perspective of Islamists, is at an unfinished stage as of today. The caliphate of Cordoba was the geographic high point of Umayyad Muslim rule – that is, of the original caliphate that succeeded Mohammed – on European territory. It represents a glory that Islamists intend to restore. Its eventual loss to the Europeans represents, equally, an evil reversal, imposed by infidels, that requires redress.
“Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule."
An article published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May explains the following:

"We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque…Choosing the name ‘Cordoba House’ for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…"


And it never seems to cross your swiss cheese for a brain that if muslims were really interested in "building bridges" or "diversity" they would be in near unanimous agreement that this mosque should NOT be built simply because of the controversy. You seem totally oblivious to the fact that they are pushing for it IN SPITE of the fact that it is causing a major problem in muslim/American relations.

Let me explain the 1st amendment to you leftwing morons. It says that the government will not establish a "state religion" - a misuse of the word "state" actually since they were talking about the federal government not establishing one. No one is trying to establish a federal/state religion by denying these bastards the right to build a mosque on top of the second largest attack on US soil to ever occur. No one is denying them the right to practice their religion.

What is it you leftwing idiots don't get about the fact that EVERY SINGLE CONQUEST these bastards make, they build a massive mosque on it to declare their "victory"?? The Dome of the Rock is built on top of Solomon's Temple. Now, Jerusalem has to listen as muslims claim that gives them the right to control Jerusalem as a holy site. Mecca itself is under islamic control for the same reason. And that is the plan behind this mosque as well.

The first amendment protects ALL citizens against there being a federally mandated religion that we must adhere to, it does NOT say that you goofballs can order people to never mention God in public nor does it mean that muslims get to build a "victory spike" on top of the site where they attacked us.

God save us from you idiots.

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Aug 14 2010, 08:30 AM
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the rock in the GOP's craw. They profess to want free markets and freedom this and freedom that, as long as it's narrowly defined.
That has to be the most stupid statement I've heard in ages.

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Aug 14 2010, 08:23 AM
its quite obvious from the most casual reading of the constitution that the Federal Government can only have one view on this topic.
So, do you support some religions' use of peyote? The government permits it for some religions, but not others.

How about hunting eagles?

What about polygamy, human sacrifice?

These are all tenets supported by religions in this country (Native Americans, Mormons) that are banned by law.

Even a most casual evaluation would realize that the government does, in fact, intervene - sometimes taking sides (peyote), sometimes prohibiting things (polygamy).
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Aug 14 2010, 08:56 AM
It represents a glory that Islamists intend to restore. Its eventual loss to the Europeans represents, equally, an evil reversal, imposed by infidels, that requires redress.
“Cordoba,” in Islamic symbolic terms, means Islamic rule in the West. It does not mean “coexistence,” unless coexistence is interpreted as referring to Islamic rule."
An article published by Iraqi-American Khudhayr Taher on 18 May explains the following:

"We must note that a hostile and provocative name [Cordoba] has been chosen for this mosque…Choosing the name ‘Cordoba House’ for the mosque to be constructed in New York was not coincidental or random and innocent. It bears within it significance and dreams of expansion and invasion [into the territory] of the other, [while] striving to change his religion and to subjugate him…"
Obviously, if it were a serious possibility that downtown Manhattan would institute Sharia law as a result of this building, my view would change. The person writing such nonsense has clearly not been down there recently. It is more likely that a gay pick-up bar opens next door, and the two groups "discuss" their different philosophies of life (free speech and property rights and diversity and all that).

Oh, and I have been to the Cordoba Mosque-Cathedral. Quite beautiful. Now a basically secular architectural tourist site.
Edited by Jeff, Aug 14 2010, 09:05 AM.
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There are things that are against the law George. Islam is legal. So is www.godhatesfags.com . Can't you do better than trot out straw men?






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Unbelieveable, isn't it? Especially bj supporting a culture that would hang him. And we are bigots for not supporting gay marriage.
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