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Judge rules that "Proposition 8" is unconstitutional; ...breaking news
Topic Started: Aug 4 2010, 12:49 PM (4,089 Views)
Dewey
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HOLY CARP!!!
My entire stance regarding the issue is to you incoherent, so there's little surprise that you'd feel that way about individual points. At this point, there's just no reason to plow the same field yet again. We believe what we believe, and if either or any of us ever change our views, it won't be based on anything that's said here.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

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ivorythumper
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Wrong Dewey. I understand your basic stance. I disagree with it, but I understand your rationale.

I don't understand your comment regarding the difference between the rights of the individuals and the rights of the corporate entity that "they're inextricably interrelated. If either is abused, the other is equally adversely affected."

The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Dewey
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OK.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Copper
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Nice brevity
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Klaus
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HOLY CARP!!!
I had teh sex with seven women.
Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman
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Steve Miller
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Larry
Aug 8 2010, 09:32 AM
most liberals don't really understand the Constitution.

Using your "will of the majority" logic, Larry, the South is still segregated, anti-miscegenation laws are still on the books and valid in 30 states, and restrictive racial covenants are still backed by the force of law.

But they're not.

'cuz it doesn't work that way.

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Aug 8 2010, 01:33 PM
I had teh sex with seven women.
:lol2:
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Dewey
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Not nine? I know someone who has you beat.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Might even say they beat his.... oh, never mind. Can't say that here I suppose.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Rainman
Aug 7 2010, 11:20 PM

She countered by saying she agreed with me, but if society relied on the growth and consequent effects of social empathy for change, black people would still be sitting in the back of the bus. Plessey vs. Ferguson would still be de facto, even though Brown would be de jure.

She had a good point.
A point so eloquently and movingly made by King in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail.

To this day my eyes well up when I read the section about explaining whites-only policy to small children.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Dewey
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I know I've said it before, but I still think that LBJ is one of the most significant pieces of American writing, whether viewing it on religious, literary, social, or political grounds.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Dewey
Aug 8 2010, 03:12 PM
I know I've said it before, but I still think that LBJ is one of the most significant pieces of American writing, whether viewing it on religious, literary, social, or political grounds.
+1
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Jolly
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Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?

Is every aspect of living subject to the whims of the moment and the mores of the society one happens to be in?

If that be the case, then within a certain context murder is not only condoned, not only accepted, but is actually encouraged as a function of everyday life. The Mayans, among others, practiced human sacrifice as an integral aspect of life.

Therefore, if society says murder is hunky-dory, who shall hold against it?

Rubbish, sheer rubbish and poppycock.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 03:44 PM
Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?
In math and logic, yes.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Aug 8 2010, 04:05 PM
Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 03:44 PM
Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?
In math and logic, yes.
I suspect there are a few in life, as well...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Copper
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Someday we should have a nice thread about the civil rights of colored people in the south.

I'm willing to bet nobody around here likes slavery or thinks we should go back there.

And I think it's nice that gay marriage advocates seem to be so against this kind of racism.

But I don't get why they keep bringing it up in threads like this.

It is so completely unrelated and completely different.

It's like it's some kind of gay ADD that keeps happening.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 04:08 PM
jon-nyc
Aug 8 2010, 04:05 PM
Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 03:44 PM
Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?
In math and logic, yes.
I suspect there are a few in life, as well...
Math and logic are part of life.


Mine, anyway. :lol:
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Dewey
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Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?

Is every aspect of living subject to the whims of the moment and the mores of the society one happens to be in?


Yes Jolly, I believe there definitely are immutable truths in life. Problems can arise, though, when people confuse an interpretation of one of those immutable truths - often an incomplete interpretation, or a complete misinterpretation - for the actual, underlying immutable truth itself.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Steve Miller
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Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 03:44 PM
Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?

Yup - the golden rule.

Once you get past that things get pretty murky.
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Steve Miller
Aug 8 2010, 04:48 PM
Jolly
Aug 8 2010, 03:44 PM
Is there no such thing as immutable Truth?

Yup - the golden rule.

Once you get past that things get pretty murky.
The Golden Rule is really only a form of crowd control.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
Aug 8 2010, 06:30 PM
The Golden Rule is really only a form of crowd control.
Care to expand on that?
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Sure -- it is a way of keeping the strongest -- individuals or groups -- from dominating everyone else. Apart from some transcendental view of the human person and the order of the universe (i.e., "spirituality" or "religion") what do you think the Golden Rule is grounded in? Pragmatic convention.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Oh hell, let's just give up and let the liberalist goofballs win. Let's just let anyone marry anything they want. Let's let men marry 20 women if they all want to. While we're at it, let's legalize prostitution. Hell, ugly men need pussy too. And after all, they'd just be "pursuing their happiness". Let's let pedophiles marry 4 year olds. They deserve to be "happy" too, you know.

While we're at it, let's just go ahead and take this "diversity" sh!t all the way - let's go ahead and enact Sharia law. Might as well, when the time comes, the touchy feely crowd will want them to have their "pursuit of happiness" too.

Let's go ahead and divide up all the money so that everyone has the same amount, let's just throw the borders open and let anyone come in that wants to, let's just do EVERYTHING they want. Let's let them build a f*cking mosque on top of the site of 9/11.

Once the country is fully "diversified", and the liberalist "socially conscious" crowd has everything they want, then all the sh!theads they've let into the country will put their Sharia law into practice, and the first group to get killed off will be all the homosexuals. Then the question of same sex marriage will be a moot point, and we can all go about more important things like making sure our prayer rugs are clean and ready as we face mecca 5 times a day to keep from getting shot.

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ivorythumper
Aug 8 2010, 06:52 PM
Sure -- it is a way of keeping the strongest -- individuals or groups -- from dominating everyone else. Apart from some transcendental view of the human person and the order of the universe (i.e., "spirituality" or "religion") what do you think the Golden Rule is grounded in? Pragmatic convention.
Oh.

You could say the same of all organized religions.
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You think, Steve? It would be easier to make the case that organized religions are a mechanism for an elite to dominate everyone else.
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