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| Larry | Aug 5 2010, 08:09 AM Post #101 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Living with and building a life with someone without marrying them.... what woman would want to do that with a man who doesn't respect her enough to make that kind of commitment to her? What man would want a woman who by all indications was keeping her options open? It's like saying "I'll play house with you, but you don't mean enough to me for me to make a commitment." If a man loves a woman enough to want to spend his life with her, marrying her signifies his respect for her, his commitment to her. The same applies for the woman. That is why you get married, and if you don't have that level of commitment to each other, don't live together. |
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| Copper | Aug 5 2010, 08:15 AM Post #102 |
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Shortstop
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Sure be reasonable. Trash the tradition. Invent new "rights". March down 5th avenue with a 20 foot green symbol. Use your taxes to encourage this. It's the reasonable thing to do. Then everyone will be happy. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 5 2010, 08:27 AM Post #103 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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The majority gets to dictate. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| blondie | Aug 5 2010, 08:36 AM Post #104 |
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'kay fine. If I had a re-do I wouldn't marry or co-habitate. Less mess, less housework. |
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| Axtremus | Aug 5 2010, 08:48 AM Post #105 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The Chinese may one day dictate that all your redheads are belong to them. |
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| Jolly | Aug 5 2010, 08:50 AM Post #106 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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I like the idea of Covenant Marriage. I believe divorce should be legal...and rare. As for my church, all are welcome, but a divorced man shall not stand behind the pulpit nor shall he rise to the office of deacon. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Axtremus | Aug 5 2010, 08:52 AM Post #107 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Banish that thought! "Marriage" and "religion" can and do exist independently of each other.
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| Axtremus | Aug 5 2010, 08:55 AM Post #108 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hey George, Does Copper's post above gives you any second thought on who may be the unreasonable one, who is unwilling to compromise?
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 5 2010, 09:04 AM Post #109 |
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So I assume from this post that you would be willing to accept civil unions as a compromise? |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| blondie | Aug 5 2010, 09:13 AM Post #110 |
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Bull-Carp
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I respect what rules your church has Jolly. |
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| Jolly | Aug 5 2010, 09:17 AM Post #111 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Different strokes for different folks. But it always seemed appropriate that if the church (little c not big C)placed such a high value on the institution of marriage, there should be consequences when divorce happens. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| John D'Oh | Aug 5 2010, 09:39 AM Post #112 |
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I certainly would - of course, I'm not the one getting married. I've already been through a legally binding civil ceremony (with a woman, obviously) and once is enough for me! |
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| kluurs | Aug 5 2010, 09:44 AM Post #113 |
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Fulla-Carp
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It is challenging to come to a compromise. The notion of the columnist who George quotes - has come up before. Under the columnist's scenerio, "Civil unions" could be defined as a union between two people that the government recognizes. Under such a proposal, there would be defined benefits associated with this union. Per the columnist, "Marriage" would be defined by a religion. Some religions might define marriages differently as to who can marry and how the marriages are dissolved. In the end, as a matter of semantics, gay couples who were joined via "civil union" would and could say they are in a "Marriage." They might be "Married" by some church that supports such unions or just using the term as how they see themselves - free speech. I agree with those who think that however one chooses to define it, "gay marriages" will come to pass - likely sooner than later. At the same time, I don't think religions should be "forced" to recognize unions they choose not to. I think that is one of the fears. As for whether our nation is on the road to hell, we are responsible for our actions, sins, etc. It ain't easy to lead a righteous life on the best of days - and this battle may detract from that. If we were living right, we would all probably be Amish, working to glorify the Lord and not wasting time on internet squabbles. People make lots of choices - the choices we make define our morality. Some people think guns are immoral to own - but we permit them. As a nation, we've said that how we use them determines moral from not. For a time, moralists felt that the sin of alcohol should be kept away from people so as to not destroy the integrity of the family - a legitimate concern - but ultimately caused more problems than it solved. The world will not come to an end with gay (civil unions/ marriage). Our nation's greatness will be enhanced, not diminished by this change. |
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| Kincaid | Aug 5 2010, 11:11 AM Post #114 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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This is what I support. The gov't has a stake in promoting stability in families, whether they are gay or hetero. A civil union is just a legal contract. Leave marriage up to any institution that wants to confer it on any couple of their choosing, or let any couple confer it on themselves (and sell do-it-yourself documents at the stationery store if you want something suitable for framing). |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Axtremus | Aug 5 2010, 11:45 AM Post #115 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Mik, This is the "civil union" compromise I propose and can accept: "Civil union" for all, no state-recognized "marriage" for any. Tribes and churches and temples and such can define "marriage" and recognize "marriage" as they see fit. The government only defines and recognizes "civil union." What say you? |
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| Copper | Aug 5 2010, 11:59 AM Post #116 |
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Why? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Axtremus | Aug 5 2010, 12:10 PM Post #117 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Why not? |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 5 2010, 12:22 PM Post #118 |
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You're still seeking to do away with marriage as the majority of the public knows it. That is a far greater change than simply allowing civil unions. So you are one of the unreasonable fringes. |
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| Copper | Aug 5 2010, 01:17 PM Post #119 |
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It's not in the public interest. Why not say dogs can marry cats? I'm sure the cat owners would have lots of fun dressing them up for the wedding. But why spend taxpayer money on it? |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| LadyElton | Aug 5 2010, 01:47 PM Post #120 |
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Fulla-Carp
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For a liberal, cunt-licker like me: suicide. |
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| Jolly | Aug 5 2010, 01:49 PM Post #121 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Sorry, I don't sell guns anymore. 'Fraid you'll have to find an alternative... |
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| Kincaid | Aug 5 2010, 01:56 PM Post #122 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Steve Miller | Aug 5 2010, 06:00 PM Post #123 |
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Bull-Carp
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Nope. The constitution is written in such a way as to keep the majority from trampling the rights of minorities. No need to fuss over it - its a good thing. |
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| Jolly | Aug 5 2010, 06:03 PM Post #124 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Yet, it is not written in a way where the rights of the minority trample over the rights of the majority. The tail should never wag the dog. |
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| Steve Miller | Aug 5 2010, 09:32 PM Post #125 |
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Bull-Carp
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I'm not aware that anyone is proposing that you be forced to marry a guy if you don't want to.* Got a cite? *Assumes that you are a guy - not sure you have ever declared one way or the other.** **Not that there's anything wrong with that. |
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