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Judge rules that "Proposition 8" is unconstitutional; ...breaking news
Topic Started: Aug 4 2010, 12:49 PM (4,094 Views)
blondie
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I agree with your paragraph where you list desirable attributes Jolly.
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blondie
Aug 5 2010, 06:57 AM
It's all about having cable TV and a gas barbeque.

If it makes you feel superior by sniffing comments like that, go ahead.

I think you know exactly what Jolly meant.

It has nothing to do with the nonsense you are trying to dump here.

It is a simple matter of showing respect for yourself and others.

That is done by living to a common standard of decent behavior and not by simply indulging any whim that drifts into your head.

I'm sure it is great fun for you to mock those who try and fail to live up to this standard, but it's the trying that matters.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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John D'Oh
Aug 5 2010, 07:09 AM
In England, the very best family of all currently has a pretty bad history of marriage survival.
Maybe the English do not prize those attributes which make a better family.
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Aug 5 2010, 07:00 AM
Larry
Aug 4 2010, 09:16 PM
the will of the people in California
That same argument was trotted out to justify segregation, not long ago. The court found it uncompelling.

Ditto inter-racial marriage.

No, that's different.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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blondie
Aug 5 2010, 07:03 AM
What is inter-racial marriage anyway if we are all mongrels?

Correct - there's no such thing.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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blondie
Aug 5 2010, 04:40 AM
I still don't understand why gays want to go this route.
Here in the US, "marriage" has legal rights attached that no other form of union has, and there is, like it or not, a societal bias associated with it. Gays simply want into that pool.


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Aug 5 2010, 07:13 AM
No, that's different.
Not to the court.

Ditto "whites only" deed restrictions.
Edited by Steve Miller, Aug 5 2010, 07:18 AM.
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blondie
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Copper, you don't have a flippin' clue of who I am .
Jolly understands though. As does Mik.
I'm simply citing N American differences & people on this board know full well I respect their standards and values ... Even IT .
So flip off Copper.
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Here in the US, "marriage" has legal rights attached that no other form of union has, and there is, like it or not, a societal bias associated with it. Gays simply want into that pool.


I disagree. If that were so, civil unions would be A-OK.

Marriage rights is the least of what this is about. It is about endorsement of homosexuality.
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Mikhailoh
Aug 5 2010, 07:17 AM
It is about endorsement of homosexuality.
Endorsement?
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Yep. Endorsement.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
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Jolly
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Steve Miller
Aug 5 2010, 07:19 AM
Mikhailoh
Aug 5 2010, 07:17 AM
It is about endorsement of homosexuality.
Endorsement?
Of course it is.

Homosexuals want to see their behavior and lifestyles legitimized.
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blondie
Aug 5 2010, 07:16 AM
Copper, you don't have a flippin' clue of who I am .
Jolly understands though. As does Mik.
I'm simply citing N American differences & people on this board know full well I respect their standards and values ... Even IT .
So flip off Copper.

Of course I don't know who you are.

I only know what you say in your post.

I respond to that.

You don't speak for N America, I'm simply letting you know that.

By the way, telling someone to flip off is not widely accepted as good behavior in N America.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Aug 5 2010, 07:20 AM
Yep. Endorsement.
Some people require endorsements? But not others?

Curious, that.
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blondie
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On some days I think marriage would be valued more by society if divorce were illegal . Or perhaps people should get booted from their chuches for it? I just don't think marriage is so valued anymore.
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Aug 5 2010, 07:19 AM
Mikhailoh
Aug 5 2010, 07:17 AM
It is about endorsement of homosexuality.
Endorsement?

Clearly.

This is a group asking for special privilege.

The whole thing really is ridiculous.

It has nothing at all to do with civil rights.

It's like a 3 year old demanding a toy only because it sees the other 3 year old playing with it.

It is a selfish temper tantrum.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jolly
Aug 5 2010, 07:12 AM
John D'Oh
Aug 5 2010, 07:09 AM
In England, the very best family of all currently has a pretty bad history of marriage survival.
Maybe the English do not prize those attributes which make a better family.
I think it's got more to do with the lifestyle that Britain's first family has to endure. How many people living their entire lives in the public eye have long-lasting marriages?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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blondie
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As I said,
flip off Copper.
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blondie
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As I also said, I *still* don't understand why gays want to marry. I think Mik and I agree in some way of this.
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The Church of England, easily the classiest church in the world, was founded because somebody in the ruling class wanted to get divorced. If you think this was low-class, consider what his alternatives were at the time.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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blondie
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I think 'marriage' is a religious thing; it has it's purpose for religious folk. And yes, lots of people are religious.
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blondie
Aug 5 2010, 07:37 AM
lots of people are religious.
Others are not. Some are religious but believe differently from others who are also religious.

Which group gets to dictate law to the others? Which group requires and endorsement (and I just love that concept) to receive the same rights as enjoyed by others?
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Aug 5 2010, 04:53 AM
Larry
Aug 4 2010, 09:04 PM
You said it is a step forward, and that given time most of us (meaning, those of us who don't see it your way) will come to agree with you.
Sigh ...

Your sorely lacking reading comprehension skill has led you to read things that are not there. I make no claim that "most of you [who don't see it my way]" will come to agree with me (i.e., I do not expect "most of you" to change your minds), just that over time, almost all [of the human population] will come to see this as a step forward. This can happen without any of you who currently disagree with me every changing your minds for the rest of your lives. All that's needed is for the trend that more and more of the younger generations are growing up to see that granting marriage equality for same-sex couples as a step forward to continue.

It's rather a pity that the more you post, the more you exhibit deficiencies in your intellect.
You can 'sigh' all you want - the issue isn't me misunderstanding what you said, but you not seeing that you're saying exactly what I said you were saying.


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blondie
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Aug 5 2010, 07:46 AM
blondie
Aug 5 2010, 07:37 AM
lots of people are religious.
Others are not. Some are religious but believe differently from others who are also religious.

Which group gets to dictate law to the others? Which group requires and endorsement (and I just love that concept) to receive the same rights as enjoyed by others?
Hmmm.

Well this is selfish of me, but I suppose deep down I don't really care.

Tell me, how much public money is & will be spent on this issue?

Does everyone see this as a proper use of peoples' money?
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George K
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An interesting approach to the question:

http://blogs.chron.com/texassparkle/2010/08/the_gay_marriage_compromise.html
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An activist judge in California overturned Prop. 8 (banning gay marriage) yesterday to no one's surprise. Most everyone actively involved on both sides of this issue, can't seem to see the forest for the trees.

Reasonable people can compromise. But there doesn't seem to be any reasonable people in charge on this issue.

Here's newsflash for many. No conservative I know of gives one whit whether two men or two women pick out plate patterns at Macys, and stand before their loved ones and commit to each other. They not only don't care, but are for the right of anyone to choose who gets their benefits, or makes decisions for them if they can't make them themselves.

As the great Texas philosopher, Kinky Friedman once said, "Gays have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us."

So what's the problem? The problem is one word....marriage.

I can promise you that if Prop 8 were voted on tomorrow, and the exact same language was used, but instead the word "marriage" was replaced with the words "civil unions," it would pass. And most everyone would be fine it. As some other guy, not as well known as Kinky once said, "What's in a name? That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet."

As long as Churches are not forced to perform marriages or unions they believe are invalid or wrong (be they gay, divorced, or otherwise) , I don't think you would have much dispute. And since there are plenty of Churches that would gladly "marry" gays, there really is no problem at all. It's all in the name. Simply call gay marriage a civil union. Those that see marriage as sacred would feel better, and gays who simply want the same rights as married heterosexuals, would have them.

Every person I talk to, liberal or conservative, seem to have no problem with this compromise. Call gay marriage a civil union. Yet there is no move toward this compromise. Why? Because leaders and activists on both sides simply want what they want, and will not budge. While most of us out here in the real world, both gay and straight, are just fine with the compromise.

I believe that one can put 5 random people in a room and they can come to a compromise on any issue. Because most people are reasonable. This is probably one of the most contentious issues of our time, and there is a compromise standing right in front of us. The activists just refuse to let it happen.

So the dispute continues. The fight goes on. And no one wins.

For those of you of religious faith that see this as a failure or giving up, know that we as a society of faith, gave up a long time ago fighting for what we believed. A 50% divorce rate, porn, and abortion is proof enough of that. We can only hold on to our own faith. We can only live lives of goodness, compassion, and holiness. We can pass on this faith. We can teach our faith to our children, and those willing to listen. That is what we can do. But in a free society we have to understand that there are many laws in which we disagree, but we must be free to choose. That is at the heart of our faith. We choose our path. As long as human rights are respected, we have to live with laws we don't like. We can protest. We can vote. We can run for office ourselves. That is how we change things. We change hearts first.

Beginning with our own.

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