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Suicide Prevention in San Fran
Topic Started: Aug 2 2010, 05:36 AM (901 Views)
Mikhailoh
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That only works if you don't tell them it's there. After the first one is publicized they head for the Bay Bridge. Either that or we end up with net more jumpers because they know they won't die but it'll get them attention.

My prediction: If they put it up it will become a form of entertainment for the wild and crazy, a badge of honor 'I juumped the Golden Gate!' attracting thousands each year, the suicidally depressed will file a class action suit and they'll have to take it down.
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Why would someone jump off the GG bridge knowing there was a net there? Aside from the fun factor, of course.
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There should be a horde of zombies in the netting.

That'd make someone think twice.

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Spoken like a true socialist. And just who is going to feed those zombies, eh? You know who.. Mr. Taxpayer!
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Mikhailoh
Aug 3 2010, 08:22 AM
That only works if you don't tell them it's there. After the first one is publicized they head for the Bay Bridge. Either that or we end up with net more jumpers because they know they won't die but it'll get them attention.

My prediction: If they put it up it will become a form of entertainment for the wild and crazy, a badge of honor 'I juumped the Golden Gate!' attracting thousands each year, the suicidally depressed will file a class action suit and they'll have to take it down.
If I lived in the area, I would absolutely do that. The first week the ride opened.


I'm not necessarily for the net, I'm just saying, suicide prevention in general is not at all a waste of resources. "They're just going to try again tomorrow" is incorrect thinking.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Aug 3 2010, 08:07 AM
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Aug 3 2010, 07:34 AM
Furthermore, by doing what they do, they will cause enormous pain and suffering to their loved ones.
You can also cause pain and suffering to your loved ones by adultery, gambling, and many other activities. Do you want to forbid/prevent those as well?

I for one want to live in a society where people can make their own decisions, and the only valid reason for restricting the free will of a person is self-protection of others . This is, for me, the definition of freedom. Making your own decision means that you also have to bear the consequences of your actions.

Unfortunately there is now a growing trend to restrict freedom for "protecting people from themselves". For instance, via excessive taxes on unhealthy stuff (fat food, alcohol, cigarettes etc.). I strongly oppose this trend. Ultimately it will lead to a totalitarian society.
Klaus, you totally ignored the first half of my post where I pointed out that many people who kill themselves aren't capable of making rational decisions because they're mentally ill. As I said, the suicide is a symptom of an acute illness rather than a decision.

In addition, there isn't a 'growing trend' against permitting people to commit suicide - if anything, the trend is in the opposite direction.
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Aug 3 2010, 08:24 AM
Why would someone jump off the GG bridge knowing there was a net there?
Presumably to rigorously test the efficacy of American engineering.

'You should have imported netting from....aaaaaaagggh'
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Aug 3 2010, 01:38 AM
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location of suicides off the golden gate, by location on the bridge.

the vast majority jump from the eastern rail. you would think it should be evenly distributed. although west rail is a bike path and the east one a pedestrian one

the view from there is towards the bay and the city, alcatraz, etc....

the view to the west is of the open pacific.

maybe less people would consider biking to their oblivion? or maybe the view to the pacific is scarier? cold and empty?

who knows...but interesting factoid.
They leave San Fran and walk out onto the bridge. Coming from that direction, they would most likely be walking on the right-hand side of the bridge, the eastern side, which also happens to be the same side as the parking lot and the walking path shown.
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I would think that having the nets will encourage thrill seeking folks to jump assuming that the net will save them. As sure as the sun rises, a few of them will be severely injured and sue the city for damages.
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Aug 3 2010, 03:10 PM
bachophile
Aug 3 2010, 01:38 AM
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location of suicides off the golden gate, by location on the bridge.

the vast majority jump from the eastern rail. you would think it should be evenly distributed. although west rail is a bike path and the east one a pedestrian one

the view from there is towards the bay and the city, alcatraz, etc....

the view to the west is of the open pacific.

maybe less people would consider biking to their oblivion? or maybe the view to the pacific is scarier? cold and empty?

who knows...but interesting factoid.
They leave San Fran and walk out onto the bridge. Coming from that direction, they would most likely be walking on the right-hand side of the bridge, the eastern side, which also happens to be the same side as the parking lot and the walking path shown.
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kluurs
Aug 3 2010, 03:21 PM
I would think that having the nets will encourage thrill seeking folks to jump assuming that the net will save them. As sure as the sun rises, a few of them will be severely injured and sue the city for damages.
Pretty much my take on it, too.
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Edited by Copper, Aug 3 2010, 05:51 PM.
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Aug 3 2010, 08:20 AM
But this, is exactly my point. Yes, they plan it, maybe obsess about it. But one failed attempt can mean breaking the cycle for someone like that. If they jump off the Golden Gate and into that net, and their life is saved, it's entirely possible they won't ever try again (if they get the help they need, or something else in their life changes.)
You're under the impression that nobody will know that the net is there?

Again, the point of this is just to make suicide less common on the golden gate, not to prevent or lower the rate of suicides. It's a PR thing.
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brenda
Aug 3 2010, 03:10 PM
They leave San Fran and walk out onto the bridge. Coming from that direction, they would most likely be walking on the right-hand side of the bridge, the eastern side, which also happens to be the same side as the parking lot and the walking path shown.
I think you're on to something. Folks in Marin County are just happier than folks in SF.
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Aug 3 2010, 06:57 AM
Even Ronald Reagan considered it a proper role of government to be a metaphorical safety net to those in our society who most need help.
Was this before or after he closed all of the state run mental institutions and threw the residents out on to the street?
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Aug 3 2010, 10:06 PM
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Aug 3 2010, 06:57 AM
Even Ronald Reagan considered it a proper role of government to be a metaphorical safety net to those in our society who most need help.
Was this before or after he closed all of the state run mental institutions and threw the residents out on to the street?
Be fair now, I'm pretty sure he did his bit by hiring a few of them to serve as his foreign policy advisors.
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Aug 3 2010, 02:05 PM
Klaus, you totally ignored the first half of my post where I pointed out that many people who kill themselves aren't capable of making rational decisions because they're mentally ill. As I said, the suicide is a symptom of an acute illness rather than a decision.
The word "illness" is quite dangerous, because it always has the implication of blamelessness on the side of the "ill" person. Alcohol "illness", anorexia "illness", adiposity "illness", ADHD "illness" etc. - the word "illness" always implies that it is "not their fault", that the "sick" should be deplored etc.
I admit that suicide is an extreme example, but in general I am in favor of letting people make (and face) their own decisions rather than declaring people "ill".
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Illness is indeed a word that can be overused, and like you, Klaus, I favor people making decisions for themselves and enjoying, or enduring, the consequences. And simply the fact that one has an illness doesn't absolve them from all responsibility for their own actions. But we do all acknowledge that mental disorders are an illness, and even simple emotional disturbance - while not necessarily an illness - clouds a person's ability to make responsible decisions. We don't allow mentally ill people to make decisions for themselves regarding many aspects of their own existence, because we recognize their inability to make sound judgment - that they would likely have to endure the consequences of making bad judgments because they aren't competent to make a rational decision.

A steel erector makes a rational decision to work in a dangerous location, but he also has a safety net under him in case of a fall caused by a momentary poor judgment on his part. We accept that falling to his death is a possibility, but we at least try to keep it from occurring, despite his decision to try to take one step too far, or overstretch his reach, or whatever. There are some human decisions that all of us, even those of us of reasonably sound mental state, make that can lead to death that we still try to mitigate. If we do that for the mentally stable, we can certainly do the same for those who are less so.
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