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| Piano Sonatas; Which are the best? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 1 2010, 04:10 AM (835 Views) | |
| George K | Aug 1 2010, 04:10 AM Post #1 |
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This is in preparation for something: I'm looking for the 20 greatest piano sonatas of all time. Let's make a list, sorted by composer, and list the top 20 (or 25) sonatas by all composers. I'll start: Beethoven #14 - "Moonlight" |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| mrenaud | Aug 1 2010, 04:59 AM Post #2 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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My personal top 20 (in roughly chronological order): - Mozart KV 310 - Mozart KV 533/494 - Mozart KV 570 - Beethoven op. 7 - Beethoven op. 28 - Beethoven op. 53 - Beethoven op. 90 - Beethoven op. 101 - Beethoven op. 106 - Schubert D 958 - Schubert D 959 - Schubert D 960 - Prokofiev No. 2 - Prokofiev No. 6 - Prokofiev No. 7 - Prokofiev No. 8 - Berg - Ives No. 2 (Concord) - Boulez No. 2 - Ustvolskaya No. 5 |
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 05:09 AM Post #3 |
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Thanks, Mathias. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Axtremus | Aug 1 2010, 05:53 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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#1 - Axtremus - Fantasy Sonata The next, very, very, distant 19 (no real particular order, really): #2 - Liszt #3 - Rachmaninoff #2 #4 - Vine #1 #5-#11 - Beethoven #8, #14, #21, #29, #30, #31, #32 #12-#15 - Mozart K330, K331, K333, K545 #16 - Chopin #3 #17 - Prokofiev #7 #18 - Rozsa Op. 20 #19 - Brahms #3 #20 - Richard Clayerman - Winter Sonata (YouTube) |
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 05:54 AM Post #5 |
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Don't need a list of 20, Ax. Just some that you consider the best. I want to come up with a list of 20 to 25.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Aug 1 2010, 06:59 AM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Whichever one you're working on is the best, right? My other set of hands and I are working on the Beethoven four-hands sonata. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Phlebas | Aug 1 2010, 07:23 AM Post #7 |
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Bull-Carp
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If you ask me 2 weeks fro now, I might give a very different list. Haydn - Hob. XVI 34 (E min.) Hob. XVI 52 (E flat Mozart - K 310 - K570 - K448 Beethoven - Op. 7 - 10/3 - 27/1 - 31/3 - 81a - 109 - 110 - 111 Schubert - D958 - D959 - D960 Chopin - Op. 35 Liszt - B minor Scriabin - #2 - #5 Prokofiev - #2 - #3 - #8 Barber Boulez - #2 Edited by Phlebas, Aug 1 2010, 07:24 AM.
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Piano*Dad | Aug 1 2010, 07:45 AM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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Beat me to it! |
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| Klaus | Aug 1 2010, 09:00 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Some of my favorites: Barber Piano Sonata LvB Op. 111 Liszt Sonata Prokofiev #6 Haydn No. 52 Rachmaninoff #1 (I like it more than the overplayed #2) Schubert D960 in the extra-slow Richter version Chopin #3 Scriabin #2, 5 |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| Axtremus | Aug 1 2010, 11:18 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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In that case, remove #2 to #19 from my list, then. |
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| Ballyhoo | Aug 1 2010, 01:20 PM Post #11 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Beethoven - Op. 106 Beethoven - Op. 81a Edited by Ballyhoo, Aug 1 2010, 01:21 PM.
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| Klaus | Aug 1 2010, 01:34 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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While you are at it, remove #1 as well
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| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 01:42 PM Post #13 |
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I'm working on a game, but I need 20 or so contenders. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| PhJ | Aug 1 2010, 03:09 PM Post #14 |
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Senior Carp
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Mozart Kv 333 & 576 Beethoven Op.31 N°3, and all the late sonatas. Berg, obviously. And Liszt. Schubert D.960 Prokofiev 7 & 8 Scirabin 3, 5 Do you take sonatines too ? :-) (I love Sibelius' first) Edited by PhJ, Aug 1 2010, 03:09 PM.
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| PhJ | Aug 1 2010, 03:11 PM Post #15 |
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Senior Carp
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which one is that ? I have one live from Budapest (iirc), but haven't found the one you can hear in the Monsaingeon documentary. Edited by PhJ, Aug 2 2010, 12:34 PM.
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 03:22 PM Post #16 |
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Of course! I don't know the Sibelius. What, no Scarlatti? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 03:28 PM Post #17 |
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OK, I just looked. Sibelius has three Sonatines, all Op 67. http://imslp.org/wiki/3_Sonatinas,_Op.67_(Sibelius,_Jean) |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| PhJ | Aug 1 2010, 03:32 PM Post #18 |
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Senior Carp
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well, I really love Sibelius, so I'm a bit biased.. (the sight of that sonatina in a list with the Hammerklavier makes me blush a bit, though) here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVR-PIGHpYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB1PLlnGYm8 (that tiny 2d movement, so little, yet deep (ok, to me at least)) Scarlatti, yeah, plenty, but it's not the 'sonata form' you want in your top 20 list. Edited by PhJ, Aug 1 2010, 03:35 PM.
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| George K | Aug 1 2010, 03:39 PM Post #19 |
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OK, here's what I'm planning to do: I saw this on Amazon. There's a list of works (the list I saw was piano concerti) that has 20 - 30 pieces. Each piece is assigned an arbitrary value of 5 points. So, if the list has 20 pieces, there's a total of 100 points to be awarded. Each person can vote on a given list by subtracting a point from a piece they don't like, and adding it to one that they do, keeping the total to 100 (or whatever) points. When a piece has 0 points, it falls off the list, decreasing the number to 19. The process continues until there is a winner. I'd like to get a list of 20 - 30 that can compete. So, yeah, if you think Scarlatti belongs, by all means, add it. I'll pick the top votes and put them up, head to head. Should be fun - if you're into that kind of stuff. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| kluurs | Aug 2 2010, 10:18 AM Post #20 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Beethoven op 57 doesn't seem to be making many people's lists - but i think it is one of the greats Scriabin 5, 9 and 10 |
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| Phlebas | Aug 2 2010, 12:28 PM Post #21 |
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Bull-Carp
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Yep. op. 57 should be on the list. Scriabin 9 and 10 are great pieces too. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| George K | Aug 3 2010, 06:57 AM Post #22 |
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Last call before competition and elimination! |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| kluurs | Aug 3 2010, 08:11 AM Post #23 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Beethoven Les Adieux, Pastorale, Tempest, Waldstein Haydn 34, 37, 50, 53, 58, 59. 60 62 Mozart K330 Schubert op 120 Schumann op 11 |
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| George K | Aug 3 2010, 08:14 AM Post #24 |
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I'm going to keep this going for another several days, if people come up with other suggestions. Then, I'll pick the top 25 (those that got the most votes), and we'll start eliminating. Get ready to RRRRRUUUUUMMMMMBLLLLLLLLE! |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Aug 4 2010, 05:18 PM Post #25 |
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Bump. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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