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Rep. Weiner goes on rant; ...on House floor
Topic Started: Jul 30 2010, 08:42 AM (407 Views)
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Agree with him or not, I like seeing this kind of energy and passion for once:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4zwCMf8dsc
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Here you go....

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- Mik, 6/14/08


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Hey, I don't know a thing about this guy, but I think I like him! Everybody flips out once in a while and gets passionately angry. He did it with style, and good vocabulary!
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I'm reminded of a very young Benito Mussolini :thumb:
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Jul 30 2010, 09:02 AM
Hey, I don't know a thing about this guy, but I think I like him! Everybody flips out once in a while and gets passionately angry. He did it with style, and good vocabulary!
One of the best flip outs in Congress I have ever seen. He made his anger work for him rather than against, a VERY difficult thing to do when you're keyed up. He gets props.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I'm sure he convinced his interlocuter of his awesome rightness.
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Heh. Weiner.

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The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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One huge major flaw with the whole thing. The bill isn't dead. In fact, Weiner is the one standing in the way of it coming up for a vote. There are more than enough dems and republicans that have promised to vote for it for it to pass, but Weiner feels it should be a near unanimous decision, and won't let it go to a vote without even more support. The reason that some are opposing it is because of some other clauses in it they want stricken aside from the funds for first responders (dems and repubs, both). It's already known that the bill will pass before the end of the session. Weiner is just posturing for political points. I just hear him admit on Hannity that he hasn't read it.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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MSNBC mislabels the graphics:

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Jul 30 2010, 12:41 PM
I just hear him admit on Hannity that he hasn't read it.
How many Congressmen total do you think have actually read the Health Care bill? How many Congressmen total do you think have actually read ARRA? How many have read HR 5629?

C'mon, none of them read this stuff anymore, their staffers do and report to them how they should vote.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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I sign stuff all the time that I haven't read. It wouldn't be physically possible to read it all.

The question shouldn't be whether he's read it or not, but why policy needs to be so complicated that nobody can read it all.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Jul 30 2010, 03:18 PM
The question shouldn't be whether he's read it or not, but why policy needs to be so complicated that nobody can read it all.
QFT.
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Jul 30 2010, 03:18 PM
I sign stuff all the time that I haven't read. It wouldn't be physically possible to read it all.

The question shouldn't be whether he's read it or not, but why policy needs to be so complicated that nobody can read it all.
If it effects over 1/7 of the United States economy, you damn bloody well better read it.!
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Jul 30 2010, 08:42 AM
Agree with him or not, I like seeing this kind of energy and passion for once:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4zwCMf8dsc
When he accused his fellow member of cowardice, is when he deserved to have his arse whupped on the capitol steps.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Jul 30 2010, 04:32 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 30 2010, 03:18 PM
I sign stuff all the time that I haven't read. It wouldn't be physically possible to read it all.

The question shouldn't be whether he's read it or not, but why policy needs to be so complicated that nobody can read it all.
If it effects over 1/7 of the United States economy, you damn bloody well better read it.!
With very complex documents it's generally more effective to have people prepare executive summaries. Obviously this solution is not perfect, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect some politico to understand the ramifications of complex legislation. I've read European Law covering areas that I'm actually well qualified in, and I still find it very hard to understand - what hope have these bozos got?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jul 30 2010, 04:46 PM
With very complex documents it's generally more effective to have people prepare executive summaries. Obviously this solution is not perfect, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect some politico to understand the ramifications of complex legislation. I've read European Law covering areas that I'm actually well qualified in, and I still find it very hard to understand - what hope have these bozos got?
It's their freaking job, though.

That being said, I don't place all the blame on the Congressmen. Our legislation has gotten ridiculously, unnecessarily complex.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Jul 30 2010, 04:48 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 30 2010, 04:46 PM
With very complex documents it's generally more effective to have people prepare executive summaries. Obviously this solution is not perfect, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect some politico to understand the ramifications of complex legislation. I've read European Law covering areas that I'm actually well qualified in, and I still find it very hard to understand - what hope have these bozos got?
It's their freaking job, though.

That being said, I don't place all the blame on the Congressmen. Our legislation has gotten ridiculously, unnecessarily complex.
You think the CEO's of companies understand all the technicalities of the stuff they make decisions on?

The job of a politician is to represent his people, and make decisions on their behalf. He can't do that without advice from technical experts. They then need to see the big picture - something technical people are notoriously bad at. As much as I whine about politicians, I do see the point of leaders who don't see or understand all the nuts and bolts of government,
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Jul 30 2010, 04:48 PM
Our legislation has gotten ridiculously, unnecessarily complex.
I remember reading, somewhere, that the historic legislation of the past was remarkably small. The Civil Rights Act was (pulling a number out of my are) about 40 pages, Social Security was 12, etc.

Don't hold me to the numbers, but nothing approached the complexity and mostrositiness of the bills we've seen in the last several years.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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GK - that's interesting. I wonder how close to the real numbers you are...but yeah it says something.

Secondly, I'm sorry...if you are voting for something that's going to affect people's lives, let alone 300 million people, yes you should read it. Even if it's 2,000 pages.
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Jul 30 2010, 04:48 PM

It's their freaking job, though.

That being said, I don't place all the blame on the Congressmen. Our legislation has gotten ridiculously, unnecessarily complex.

It depends on the person who wrote it and their purpose.

If you don't want it to be read one way to make that happen is to make it big.

There was one memorable proposal we submitted to the government that had to be delivered in a U-Haul truck. There was something like 70 or 80 boxes of paper - maybe 40 pounds per box. I believe that was 10 copies of the complete document.

Sometimes it's just not meant to be read.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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