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Fvck you, Mr. President
Topic Started: Jul 27 2010, 03:09 PM (1,762 Views)
Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
John D'Oh
Jul 29 2010, 10:54 AM
Mikhailoh
Jul 29 2010, 10:50 AM
If you can find it within the context of the Boy Scouts, well then have at it. That's what we're discussing.
It doesn't have to be in the context of the boy scouts, that's just silly. If someobody said gay priests or gay baby-sitters are more likely to abuse children, clearly there's a parallel.

And no, I'm not going to search. However, I'm pretty sure I've seen it said.
In all fairness,there is probably very little that hasn't been said on here at one time or another. :lol2:

But that's certainly not the argument I have been making.
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MAMIL
KlavierBauer
Jul 29 2010, 10:52 AM
As much as you say you really don't care about guns, you seem to pull a fair number of discussions into the gun debate that have no place being there.
It was either that or mention Terri Schiavo's circumcision.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Jul 29 2010, 11:02 AM
KlavierBauer
Jul 29 2010, 10:52 AM
As much as you say you really don't care about guns, you seem to pull a fair number of discussions into the gun debate that have no place being there.
It was either that or mention Terri Schiavo's aborted circumcision by Dr. Mengele, Nancy Pelosi and Fred Phelps.
FIFY... NNTTM.
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If Terri Schiavo had bought a handgun, she could have fought off Nancy Pelosi's death panel and joined the boy-scouts!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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George K
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Mikhailoh
Jul 29 2010, 11:04 AM
John D'Oh
Jul 29 2010, 11:02 AM
KlavierBauer
Jul 29 2010, 10:52 AM
As much as you say you really don't care about guns, you seem to pull a fair number of discussions into the gun debate that have no place being there.
It was either that or mention Terri Schiavo's aborted circumcision by Dr. Mengele, Nancy Pelosi and Fred Phelps who is really homosexual.
FIFY... NNTTM.
NNTTM
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Now you're just being silly.
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George, you have an avatar featuring a partially clad black man in a hot tub.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Jul 29 2010, 11:09 AM
George, you have an avatar featuring a partially clad black man in a hot tub.
Swandive.

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Spicy. And old.
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Copper
Jul 28 2010, 05:39 AM
I'm used to the knee-jerk-must-defend-all-catholic-reaction and it doesn't bother me most of the time.

But when it comes to attacks on chidren you should give it a rest.

If only...
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Geaux Tigers!
I don't recall anything Catholic even being mentioned in this thread.....maybe a priest statement, I dunno...
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Jolly, see my post above yours.
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Kincaid
Jul 29 2010, 10:52 AM
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Jul 29 2010, 06:54 AM
As a group gays are a pretty in-your-face bunch.
Eh, I'd have to say this is way to much of a generalization. I actually think the bulk of gays live lives of quiet desperation, much like humanity as a whole.

Sure quiet desperation is popular with a lot of people.

But we are talking about the folks objecting to the scouts making their own rules.

Those are in-you-face guys.
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Jolly
Jul 29 2010, 01:25 PM
I don't recall anything Catholic even being mentioned in this thread.....maybe a priest statement, I dunno...

Jon hates catholics.

And loves to make catholics hate him.

He works hard at it and deserves it.

Give it to him.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Copper
Jul 29 2010, 02:39 PM
Kincaid
Jul 29 2010, 10:52 AM
Copper
Jul 29 2010, 06:54 AM
As a group gays are a pretty in-your-face bunch.
Eh, I'd have to say this is way to much of a generalization. I actually think the bulk of gays live lives of quiet desperation, much like humanity as a whole.

Sure quiet desperation is popular with a lot of people.

But we are talking about the folks objecting to the scouts making their own rules.

Those are in-you-face guys.
Agreed.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-winship/the-right-manipulates-mus_b_665674.html

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... President Obama met with a group of scouts and their leaders just a little more than two weeks ago. In the Oval Office. In fact, the president does so every year, but this year, special attention was given to the centennial.

As Scouting Magazine's official blog reported, "During the White House meeting, the president and the BSA delegation shared their mutual goals for addressing key concerns for our nation's youth: healthy living, service to the community, and environmental stewardship."

Admitting this, of course, would mess with the conservative narrative. Nor, it turns out, is this the first time that elements of the right have shamelessly tried to use the Boy Scouts, of all organizations, to impugn the Obama White House. A whispering campaign via e-mail (in cyberspace, no one can hear you scream) alleged that unlike his predecessors the president has refused to sign Eagle Scout certificates. As it turns out, there was a gap between the Bush and Obama presidencies when blank certificates were sent out.

But, as the debunking website www.snopes.com reports, "Production of new Eagle Scout certificates bearing President Obama's signature... got underway in late 2009 for distribution to Scouts who obtained Eagle rank in Spring 2010. President Obama has also mailed over 13,000 personal letters of congratulation to individual Eagle Scouts, including a September 2009 case in which every single one of the five most senior members of Troop 182 in Palatine, Illinois, earned eagle rank."
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This thread has not been about a rumored refusal to sign Eagle Scout certificates, it's been about Obama's actual welching out on a longstanding commitment to attend the Scouts' event in order to do an appearance on The View.
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"Long standing commitment" changes when the circumstances chance. Presidential priorities change. All grown-ups know that. A President may promise to fund-raise for another politician, but if there's a scandal engulfs that politician, the Pres. distances himself. A President may promise to visit another sovereign nation, but when that sovereign nation does something that seems to go against the American Way, the Prez cancels the visit. Heck, the Prez cancelled the trip to Indonesia and Australia TWICE, once to refocus on healthcare reform and the second time to focus on the BP oil spill. (Might have been a cancelation on a visit to Israel too over something or another that Netanyahu did ... I'm not sure but too lazy to go look it up.) Neither cancelation elicit as much "bad press" from the right-leaning pundit-sphere. Why the cancelation on the Boy Scouts is treated as a bigger deal by the right-leaning pundit-sphere than a ton of other Presidential cancellations to various individuals, domestic organization, and foreign nations? It's quite obvious, and you know it's true, that that's because of political convenience, not because of principles.

I scratched my head over why Obama would cancel on the Boy Scouts to tape for "The View," it seemed an odd political choice -- until Kincaid brings up the gay scout leader controversy. Then it makes perfect political sense. The firestorm from the left-leaning pundit-sphere might have been even more damaging had the Pres attended the Jamboree. Attending the Boy Scout Jamboree would not get the Pres. any more support from the right but would lose him more support from the LGBT community.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Jon Stewart on Obama appearing in "The View" :

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Axtremus
Jul 31 2010, 07:17 AM
Jon Stewart on Obama appearing in "The View" :

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I, for one, have no problem with the president pandering to his base appearing on a daytime TV show. Good for him. I have no problem with him (or any president) on Letterman, Leno, or being interviewed by Dr. Phil.

But to have him prioritize the View over the Jamboree (to which he had already, supposedly, made a commitment) is definitely a snub. The view airs, what, 200 days a year? The Jamboree occurs twice in a decade.

You stay classy, Mr. President.
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Axtremus
Jul 31 2010, 07:16 AM
Then it makes perfect political sense. The firestorm from the left-leaning pundit-sphere might have been even more damaging had the Pres attended the Jamboree. Attending the Boy Scout Jamboree would not get the Pres. any more support from the right but would lose him more support from the LGBT community.

Sure that makes sense.

Blow off the best and the brightest of our youth who have worked hard for years to prepare for the Jamboree.

That's nothing compared to appeasing a few deviants who will vote for him anyway.

Good call.

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Attending the Boy Scout Jamboree would not get the Pres. any more support from the right but would lose him more support from the LGBT


If it comes down to numbers - he's not going to gain any right wingers by attending, but he may lose LGBT support by not attending.Net result - he may have lost a few more voters by his choice.
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Scouts are right wingers?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Jul 31 2010, 10:10 AM
Scouts are right wingers?

For the current white house occupants the whole world looks right.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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"Long standing commitment" changes when the circumstances chance. Presidential priorities change. All grown-ups know that. A President may promise to fund-raise for another politician, but if there's a scandal engulfs that politician, the Pres. distances himself.


What scandal has engulfed the Boy Scouts of America? In particular, what scandal has arisen after Obama promised to speak at their event?

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A President may promise to visit another sovereign nation, but when that sovereign nation does something that seems to go against the American Way, the Prez cancels the visit.


And again, what did the BSA do since Obama's promise to speak that was cause to make him renege on his word? Their stance on gay scout leaders has been well-known for years - a lot longer than Obama's promise to go. It didn't just happen; in fact, there hasn't even been some big new case involving that stance getting big media coverage in the past year that could have been used as a pretense for Obama's change of plans.

Obama didn't renege on his promise in order to attend to emergency matters related to an oil spill, a hurricane, or a financial crisis. He didn't change his plans to attend the funeral of some head of state who suddenly died. He didn't snub them out of some outrage, real or feigned, over some new decision or policy on their part that didn't exist when he'd originally agreed to go.

He snubbed the scouts just to do a taping of a talk show, that, as George has pointed out, is taped hundreds of times per year - and which would consider an interview with a sitting President such an honor that they'd wet their collective pants to get one, and would agree to any taping date stipulated by the White House - not the other way around.

Once you make a commitment, unless there is some valid reason that makes you have to change plans, you live up to it. All grown-ups - *real* grown-ups - know that. And so do an awful lot of youth, who happen to have had that value, and others, fostered in their lives by being members of the Boy Scouts of America.

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