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Bye Bye, Rigs
Topic Started: Jul 11 2010, 08:13 AM (963 Views)
Jolly
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RALLY TIME!

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Renauda
Jul 13 2010, 07:23 AM
I wholly disgaree OT and since you fubarred my statement I have no intention of thanking you. BTW, since the world cannot disinvent nuclear technology do you have an acceptable alternative to the Yucca project?

No, I didn't think so.
You're right, I don't. But characterizing any place on the planet as "safe and secure" storage for nuclear waste is a tad disingenuous. If you had qualified it as relatively "safe and secure," you would have earned the gold star.



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NIMBYs don't exist anymore - now we have BANANAs.
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Everything safe is "relatively" safe. There is no such thing as zero risk.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Axtremus
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Renauda
Jul 13 2010, 07:23 AM
... do you have an acceptable alternative to the Yucca project?
Alberta, Canada.
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OperaTenor
Jul 13 2010, 07:50 AM
...characterizing any place on the planet as "safe and secure" storage for nuclear waste is a tad disingenuous. If you had qualified it as relatively "safe and secure," you would have earned the gold star.

Take two aspirins and drink plenty of non alcoholic fluids- prune juice is probably best. Your acute Ivorythumperitis should pass with in 24 hours. :lol2:
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And in other energy news...

An Oil Pipeline From Canada? Some Say 'No Way'.

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Renauda
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When are people and meddlesome idiots like Waxman, going stop calling oil sand bitumen *tar sands*?

Facts about Alberta Oilsands:

•In 2007, Alberta became the first jurisdiction in North America to legislate GHG reductions for large industrial facilities. Any facility that emits more than 100,000 tonnes of GHG per year is required to reduce their emissions intensity by 12% from a pre-determined baseline.
•Facilities that fail to meet this target have the option of buying Alberta-based carbon offsets, or paying $15/tonne over reduction targets into the Climate Change and Emissions Management Fund. The fund supports projects and technologies aimed at reducing GHG emissions in the province.
•2008 total GHG emissions in Alberta: 244 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent.
•Oil sands: 37.2 million tonnes of CO2 equivalent
Oil sands make up about 5% of Canada’s overall greenhouse gas emissions and approximately 0.1% of the world’s emissions.
•Since July 2007, companies in all industries made more than 10 million tonnes of actual reductions through operational changes and practices – including better use and reuse of energy – and investing in offsets created by other Alberta projects. This is equivalent to taking 2 million vehicles off the road per year.

~ http://www.energy.alberta.ca/OilSands/791.asp

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Edited by Renauda, Jul 13 2010, 09:34 AM.
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Axtremus
Jul 13 2010, 08:17 AM
Renauda
Jul 13 2010, 07:23 AM
... do you have an acceptable alternative to the Yucca project?
Alberta, Canada.
There are some possibilities along the eastern slopes of the Rockies- although northern Saskatchewan may be more suitable. In any case I'm fine with it so long as we don't have to have foreign troops stationed here to ensure and guarantee site security.
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Jul 13 2010, 08:34 AM
OperaTenor
Jul 13 2010, 07:50 AM
...characterizing any place on the planet as "safe and secure" storage for nuclear waste is a tad disingenuous. If you had qualified it as relatively "safe and secure," you would have earned the gold star.

Take two aspirins and drink plenty of non alcoholic fluids- prune juice is probably best. Your acute Ivorythumperitis should pass with in 24 hours. :lol2:
I don't know... I think that was....was....uncalled for...

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Jul 13 2010, 07:56 AM
Everything safe is "relatively" safe. There is no such thing as zero risk.
Hey man, thanks for helping me make my point.

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Uh, I think you had better read through this thread more carefully before you make that claim.

Renauda's point was that as long as we are incapable of disinventing nuclear energy then there will always be a need to store the waste somewhere. He then went on to say that Yucca flats was safe and secure. I was addressing your nitpick that he should have said "relatively" safe and secure. Because there really is nothing that is not "relatively" safe and secure, for him to say that would be superfluous.

Try and keep up. :D
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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OperaTenor
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Aw jeez, JB, must you be so nitpicky?



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JBryan
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'fraid so.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Okay, then i have one nitpicky remark regarding your post of:

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Because there really is nothing that is not "relatively" safe and secure, for him to say that would be superfluous.


I tend to go for literal on line, rather than make an inference. To me, saying "safe and secure" is an absolute, and by reading that I don't infer that it's relative. Just sayin'...

Edited by OperaTenor, Jul 13 2010, 03:12 PM.


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John D'Oh
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If you want to stay completely safe and secure, for God's sake don't drive a car - millions more people have been killed in those bloody things than ever died of radiation poisoning.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Bingo John - I think that's JBryan's point.
Calling something relatively safe and secure is superfluous, as nothing is safe or secure absolutely.
To read "safe and secure" and infer absolutely zero risk is folly, as such a thing doesn't exist.
"I realize you want him to touch you all over and give you babies, but his handling of the PR side really did screw the pooch." - Ivory Thumper
"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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John D'Oh
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For accident prevention, just as with just about everything in the world, there's a point at which it doesn't become worthwhile to continue to throw money at a problem, due to diminishing returns.

The only difficult questions are what is an acceptable level of safety, and have we achieved it.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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And to make inferences and read things into what people say on line is also folly.


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I'm not going to beat this horse. Have fun!


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jon-nyc
Jul 13 2010, 02:09 AM
Indeed. But the locals have NIBYISM and their senior senator is the senate majority leader.
Nimbies at Yucca Mountain? Both of them?

And I would guess that the Fed put a lot of money into the economy for things like Yucca Mountain. It won't affect his home in Tahoe.
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OperaTenor
Jul 13 2010, 03:40 PM
And to make inferences and read things into what people say on line is also folly.
It might be folly, but it's the only reason we're here. :lol:
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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John D'Oh
Jul 13 2010, 03:16 PM
If you want to stay completely safe and secure, for God's sake don't drive a car - millions more people have been killed in those bloody things than ever died of radiation poisoning.
Every year more people die due to coal than have died in all the nuclear accidents the world has ever seen. And OT has admitted that, for practical purposes, to be against nuclear is to accept more reliance on coal.
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BTW, since the world cannot disinvent nuclear technology do you have an acceptable alternative to the Yucca project?


One colleague of mine has suggested that we grind the waste up into a fine powder and dust the world with it (he is presuming it would be spread over a large enough area, that it would not be ditinguishable from natural background raiation measurements). After all, he points out, we are just putting it back where it came from.


It does seem a little weird, should the shutdown occur for good, that one president, on the basis of what looks to have been a campaign promise to woo voters, can undo what several generations of presidents, and Houses of Congress and Senate have spent years promoting and funding. I agree with the judges - Congress is the only authority that can affect Yucca Mountain (in terms of shutting it down).
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I don't see why we don't simply send it to space and hurl it towards the sun...
Oh wait - this is beginning to sound like Superman IV.
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"He said sleepily: "Don't worry mom, my dick is like hot logs in the morning." - Apple

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