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OMG !!!!; Apple admits mistake.
Topic Started: Jul 2 2010, 08:03 AM (1,156 Views)
KlavierBauer
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George, AL: Apple offers a more expensive, DRM free version of *some* itunes music, but itunes is most certainly not entirely DRM free.
Just try to sync more than one ipod with one collection of music and tell me those digital rights aren't strictly managed.

I've never had a problem with it though thanks to RockBox.
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George K
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KB: True. I believe they are transitioning to totally DRM-free, though I may be wrong. Though you can't sync one iPod to more than one computer, once you have purchased music, you can put it on many iPods, as well as burning regular audio CDs.
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I'm more interested in knowing whether the number of bars indicate signal strength or signal-to-noise ratio.


Maybe neither. The last wireless chipset I worked with, the RSSI stuff wasn't working in the chipset, so we used an average of one of the error statistics to drive the signal strength LEDs (bars). As Apple is specifying that a calculation is wrong, perhaps they are using something similar? No matter, bars are generally accepted as signal strength (less bars means weaker signal).

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Maybe it's a gullibility meter?
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George K
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Consumer reports:

iPhone 4's supposed signal woes aren’t unique, and may not be serious

The debate over the iPhone 4's supposed reception problems continues, including a new class-action suit. Underplayed in the discussion is the fact that all phones are subject to interference from the human who is using them. And even if the alleged signal loss is real, there's an absence of hard evidence that iPhone 4 reception is problematic compared to past iPhones; indeed, there's evidence of just the opposite.

For its part, Apple recently suggested that any iPhone 4 signal loss results from little more than faulty software that incorrectly displays signal strengths.

The software may, indeed be faulty, but the signal loss can be real. Holding the iPhone 4 in certain ways does cause signal loss. But that's the case with all cell phones. Indeed, all cell phones, from the mightiest smart phones to the most-basic flip models, must consistently overcome a major communication obstacle: you.

Your hand, your head, or any other part of your body that comes between the phone's antenna and the nearest cell tower will interfere with reception, and devilishly well. That's in part because humans are mostly made of water, and water is very good at blocking phone signals. Other confounding factors include nearby buildings, cell-tower location, and even the weather.

That interference is exacerbated if the phone's antenna is not insulated from human contact. And that seems to be the case with the iPhone's external antenna, which doubles as the phone's stylish metal outer band; your hand contacts the band as you cradle the phone.

Most of the Web sites reporting dropped signals and even dropped calls have demonstrated several techniques, or "death grips" for recreating the problem (which we've yet been able to reproduce in a meaningful way). But those almost always require squeezing the phone hard, in an unnatural way. Those grips may also produce sweaty palms from exertion, with the sweat increasing conductivity—and possibly the degree of signal loss.

Case closed, right? Well, no.

Even with that supposed handicap of an exposed antenna, iPhone 4 reception is actually better than on the 3GS according to many to some highly respectable and thorough testers, including AnandTech.com:

From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS.

The authors did admit, however, that using a bumper, or some kind of insulating case allowed them to get even better performance:

With my bumper case on, I made it further into dead zones than ever before, and into marginal areas that would always drop calls without any problems at all. It's amazing really to experience the difference in sensitivity the iPhone 4 brings compared to the 3GS, and issues from holding the phone aside, reception is absolutely definitely improved. I felt like I was going places no iPhone had ever gone before. There's no doubt in my mind this iPhone gets the best cellular reception yet, even though measured signal is lower than the 3GS.

Bottom line: There's no reason, at least yet, to forgo buying an iPhone 4 over its reception concerns. And even if those do materialize, Apple's Steve Jobs helpfully reminds new iPhone buyers that "you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund."

—Mike Gikas
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KlavierBauer
Jul 2 2010, 08:49 AM
George, AL: Apple offers a more expensive, DRM free version of *some* itunes music, but itunes is most certainly not entirely DRM free.
I haven't downloaded a song that has DRM in at least a year. If some music still has DRM, it must be a very small percentage.

The .99 vs. 1.29 has nothing to do with DRM, IIRC, but rather the popularity of the song.
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John D'Oh
Jul 2 2010, 08:29 AM
I don't have the energy to get upset with companies. If I don't want their stuff, I don't buy it.
Bingo. I really don't understand the way you get worked up about this stuff, Aqua.

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I don't need a $400 telephone. I don't think any sane person does.


With my phone company, iPhones start at $9.
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Riley
Jul 2 2010, 05:55 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 2 2010, 08:29 AM
I don't have the energy to get upset with companies. If I don't want their stuff, I don't buy it.
Bingo. I really don't understand the way you get worked up about this stuff, Aqua.

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I don't need a $400 telephone. I don't think any sane person does.


With my phone company, iPhones start at $9.
No sane person needs a $9 telephone phone.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Riley
Jul 2 2010, 05:55 PM
With my phone company, iPhones start at $9.
A $9 razor, but with $200 blades?
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KlavierBauer
Jul 2 2010, 08:49 AM
George, AL: Apple offers a more expensive, DRM free version of *some* itunes music, but itunes is most certainly not entirely DRM free.
Just try to sync more than one ipod with one collection of music and tell me those digital rights aren't strictly managed.

I've never had a problem with it though thanks to RockBox.
Right. So you have to pay more, to have Apple strip itself of the bullsh!t they put into their products that makes them more annoying.

Perfect example.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mark
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Aqua,

I simply don't care about that at all.

Seriously.
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Mark
Jul 2 2010, 08:03 PM
Aqua,

I simply don't care about that at all.

Seriously.
Very well noted, but I care about that stuff, which is why, aside from computers, I'll never buy a single product that company puts in front of me.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mark
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And I will.

And I do.

And yeah. :lol:
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Mark
Jul 2 2010, 08:06 PM
And I will.

And I do.

And yeah. :lol:
Hey, what fun would life be without our own little, private crusades? ^_^
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Mark
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Hey, I'm having a nice evening with some very good whiskey. :whome:

Did a 20 mile ride earlier and 18 holes of disc golf at a new course. New to me anyway. Very hilly. Great walking workout.

Now I am drinking some calories... :lol:
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Not so fast, says Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports' engineers have just completed testing the iPhone 4, and have confirmed that there is a problem with its reception. When your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side—an easy thing, especially for lefties—the signal can significantly degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in an area with a weak signal. Due to this problem, we can't recommend the iPhone 4.

We reached this conclusion after testing all three of our iPhone 4s (purchased at three separate retailers in the New York area) in the controlled environment of CU's radio frequency (RF) isolation chamber. In this room, which is impervious to outside radio signals, our test engineers connected the phones to our base-station emulator, a device that simulates carrier cell towers (see video: IPhone 4 Design Defect Confirmed). We also tested several other AT&T phones the same way, including the iPhone 3G S and the Palm Pre. None of those phones had the signal-loss problems of the iPhone 4.

Our findings call into question the recent claim by Apple that the iPhone 4's signal-strength issues were largely an optical illusion caused by faulty software that "mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength."
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The iPhone scored high, in part because it sports the sharpest display and best video camera we've seen on any phone, and even outshines its high-scoring predecessors with improved battery life and such new features as a front-facing camera for video chats and a built-in gyroscope that turns the phone into a super-responsive game controller. But Apple needs to come up with a permanent—and free—fix for the antenna problem before we can recommend the iPhone 4.

If you want an iPhone that works well without a masking-tape fix, we continue to recommend an older model, the 3G S. (The full list of recommended smart phones models appears as part of our latest Ratings, available to subscribers.)

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Jul 2 2010, 08:29 AM
In case you missed this video I posted in the HTC Incredible thread... :)



PS. Aqua, iRain... :lol:
:lol2: this video is hilarious!
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That's really funny.
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Yeah, that was funny. ^_^

And the other side, HTC EVO vs iPhone4 (same as the other vid, language NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac

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ok that was funny also.
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1hp
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Yeah, I wondered if the "Apple stunned" comment (from Apple) was a trick to take the focus away from a real problem. Hey, everyone screws up once in a while - I'm sure they'll come up with a fix and everyone will move on.

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Consumer Reports ranks iPhone 4 as best smart phone
So it does not recommend what it ranks as the best smart phone on the market?
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KlavierBauer
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Consumer Reports was pretty clear that the iPhone 3GS was their preferred phone, given that they confirmed the issues people were having with the iPhone 4.
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George K
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musicasacra
Jul 13 2010, 12:50 PM
That is, if you don't need to make phone calls. :lol2:
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Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

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George K
Jul 13 2010, 12:52 PM
musicasacra
Jul 13 2010, 12:50 PM
That is, if you don't need to make phone calls. :lol2:
People use the iPhone for phone calls? ^_^
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