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"Human Rights?"
Topic Started: Jul 2 2010, 07:57 AM (1,028 Views)
Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
kathyk
Jul 10 2010, 06:54 PM
George K
Jul 2 2010, 09:19 AM
Exactly. While the media is screaming about 'racism' in Arizona, and supporting a foreign government's involvement in our legislation (while ignoring the inconvenient truth that that government's laws are even more restrictive), a true human rights tragedy is given scant, if any coverage.
But, George, racism in Arizona is something that we as Americans can directly impact. And hopefully, we still hold ourselves to a much higher standard in terms of human rights than we do Iran.





Do you know what a brainless twit one has to be to actually believe that Arizona's immigration laws have a damned thing to do with race?

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So, racism doesn't apply to hispanics?
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But, George, racism in Arizona is something that we as Americans can directly impact.


That would be true, if one actually thought the law was racist. I don't. I think the law is perfectly fine, necessary, and not racist - and I'm one of those people who supports the idea of a broad, almost-universal amnesty for illegals currently here.
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Dewey
Jul 11 2010, 05:41 PM
That would be true, if one actually thought the law was racist.
How does the Arizona law differ from California Rhode Island federal law?
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kathyk
Jul 11 2010, 05:14 PM
Was that supposed to be funny?


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>100,000 deaths.

1,000,000 casualties.

1,000,000 homeless.

Pretty durned effective, if you ask me...of course, we're not talking about nuclear war. Kathy's picture is actually from the U.S. Army Air Corps incendiary bombing of Tokyo, most likely the raid after Hiroshima and Nagasaki(88K dead), which killed more people initially than either nuclear bomb. In a time when Japan was preparing an Okinawa type resistance and the Pentagon was predicting one million allied casualties, overwhelming force, death and destruction is a Good Thing.

People need to know their history. It wasn't just nuclear weapons which brought Japan down, it was the wielding of conventional weapons in the most ruthless and effective of manners. If you can kill enough of the enemy, you win. If you can break the enemies will to fight, you win. To do both is optimal.



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kathyk
Jul 11 2010, 05:14 PM
Was that supposed to be funny?


Mik's use of the term "stone age" makes me think he was willing to oblige them a little faster and in a more complete manner than you.

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Mikhailoh
Jul 11 2010, 01:29 PM
I had a large circle of Iranian friends in San Diego at the height of the hostage crisis, 1980. They were warm, friendly, generous people, but very, very backward when it came to dealing with American women.
Yes I do agree Mik. Completely. I've known many Iranians, .. and Saudis. I've been thinking real hard today trying to come up with just one of these men who I wouldn't call a "disgusting pig". I'm talking attitude wise towards women, .. any women. "Respecting" [like of women] is just not a word I'd use to describe these men. I'm trying again to think of just one. I'll continue to think on that.
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kathyk
Jul 11 2010, 05:37 PM
So, racism doesn't apply to hispanics?

Technically no.

Race and ethnicity in the United States Census, as defined by the United States Census Bureau and the Federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB), are self-identification data items in which residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify, and indicate whether or not they are of Hispanic or Latino origin (ethnicity).

So Hispanics belong to an ethnicity - that they have chosen to use to identify themselves.

Of course the ethnicity has no special privileges to break the law.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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I find joking about the human devastation wrought by nuclear bombs pretty tasteless if not downright callous.

Google Hispanic and racism. I guess an a lot of people and organizations need to be educated on that note, huh.
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kathyk
Jul 11 2010, 06:07 PM
I find joking about the human devastation wrought by nuclear bombs pretty tasteless if not downright callous.

Google Hispanic and racism. I guess an a lot of people and organizations need to be educated on that note, huh.

Good point about the need for education.

Now that you know you can spread the word.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jul 11 2010, 01:21 PM
blondie
Jul 11 2010, 12:12 PM
In my life I've bought/traded/sold/gifted 20-30 Iranian carpets. I considered them art, took courses, had my book collection too. But no more. I'm ditching all of it. If I had a Tabriz that would be the first to go. There's no beauty or value in it anymore. And sad, b/c many were woven by women, mostly nomadic [I liked the tribal ones]. I will no longer support an economy that tolerates such abuse.

These people make me sick.
I think you need to separate the people from the politics of the Government and the mullocracy. Did you watch Rick Steves' Iran? It is a beautiful video. The Iranians I know are deeply concerned about their homeland and despise the government. From what I've heard from the them, they have been ready to overthrow the mullahs but the US keeps sitting on the fence.
I'll watch it IT. Yes, I agree with you. I've had many conversations of the same with Iranians. But I'm fed up. I can't look, sit upon these anymore with these images in my mind. For some reason, this issue really got to me. Like around the time of the first beheadings. I'm just ill of it. I've now similar feelings of wife burnings with other countries who make carpets (I may ditch those too]. I suppose it got personal for me as I got older. Women are treated like sh*t in these countries and it carries on when families move to my country [I digress but wonder how their sons will turn out raised here in Canada.]. Hence my take-out-the-trash "Keep their women - Deport their men" attitude. I'm trashing their art. Don't want it. There's no beauty now.
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I am friends and neighbors with a couple who are from Iran. Lovely people. I didn't know they were from Iran until about a month ago.

The wife is extremely social. Her son plays baseball and chess with my son. We don't talk politics, just baseball and concession stand duty. I did ask her about her experience moving here. She moved here when she was 14 and said it was extremely difficult. Girls wouldn't talk to her. "I guess they thought I was a spy or something," she said.

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Follow-up:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/31/brazil-offers-sakineh-moh_n_666374.html
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George K
Jul 11 2010, 05:45 PM
Dewey
Jul 11 2010, 05:41 PM
That would be true, if one actually thought the law was racist.
How does the Arizona law differ from California Rhode Island federal law?
Just saw this, George. I don't think the law differs from federal law at all, and I support the law - even the parts the judge stayed. It think that the federal law makes sense and should be enforced, and I think the state law makes the same sense and that the state should be able to enforce what the federal government won't. Personally, I'd think that the federal government's refusal to enforce a legally enacted law would itself be obstruction of justice and illegal on any number of other counts.

I believe all of that, while I still think that the federal government's current position on immigration is boneheaded on at least three different counts. First, it should take seriously the idea of creating secure borders - something that every sovereign nation state must establish in order to defend its people. Second, it should increase the currently insufficient limitations set on legal immigration, and should eliminate unnecessary barriers and constraints to obtaining the legal right to emigrate into the country by residents of the countries which are sending us the highest numbers of illegal immigrants, while maintaining adequate background/security precautions. Third, it should recognize that the illegal immigrants currently in this country are, for the most part, as law-abiding as citizens and legal immigrants, but are stuck in a legal limbo that makes them shadow people in our economy - most of them paying into Social Security (using fake SSNs; and thereby actually subsidizing the SSec program for us citizens) and even some federal and state income taxes; since the majority of illegal immigrants are employed with fake identity and employment documents, and not simply being paid cash under the table. We need to establish a program where these illegal immigrants are given security/background checks, and the ones checking out cleanly should be given legal status, with a requirement to check in annually with the gov regarding where they are and if they're still employed. If they don't pass the background check, or if they lose their employment for X length of time, out they go. Otherwise, they stay. If someone wants to call that an amnesty program, so be it. I think it's a just solution to the current situation.

But I can believe all that, and still support the AZ law as necessary under the current conditions of the fed gov refusing to address what is a huge problem and economic burden on the state of AZ; and I do not see it as racist in the slightest.
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