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"Human Rights?"
Topic Started: Jul 2 2010, 07:57 AM (1,027 Views)
George K
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With all the brouhaha about Arizona, I wonder how much play this will get:

Death By Stoning
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Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, a mother of two, is waiting to die in Iran by a method of execution described by her lawyer as "barbaric" -- stoning.

She will be buried up to her chest, deeper than a man would be, and the stones that will be hurled at her will be large enough to cause pain but not so large as to kill her immediately, according to an Amnesty International report that cited the Iranian penal code.

The 42-year-old woman from the northern city of Tabriz was convicted of adultery in 2006, and her execution is imminent, said prominent human rights lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei.

Ashtiani was forced to confess after being subjected to 99 lashes, Mostafaei said Thursday in a telephone interview from Tehran.

Edited by George K, Jul 2 2010, 07:58 AM.
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Article 74 of the Iranian penal code requires at least four witnesses -- four men or three men and two women -- for an adulterer to receive a stoning sentence, said Mina Ahadi, coordinator for the International Committee Against Stoning. But there were no witnesses in Ashtiani's case. Often, said Ahadi, husbands turn wives in to get out of a marriage.
Mostafaei said he could not understand how such a savage method of death could exist in the year 2010 or how an innocent woman could be taken from her son and daughter, who have written to the court pleading for their mother's life.
The public won't be allowed to witness the stoning, Mostafaei said, for fear of condemnation of such a brutal method. He is hoping there won't be an execution.


Yep, it's a way out of a marriage for the husband.

I'll be looking for it in the local media, George, but not holding my breath.
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I doubt your local media has a Tehran bureau anymore.
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Axtremus
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You won't see it in "local media" in the US as most "mass media" in the US suck at reporting foreign news. This Iran thing has no US involvement. Surely there are more tragic news that one women getting stoned to death; famine, child/women slavery/traficking, pandemics, etc. But, no, your "local media" prefer to give the non-advertising square inches to some local teenager doing some volunteering/charity or some local high school having a prom. And we get giddy if piano or classical music non-news get a few inches of column space every once in a while.

That, George, is also the answer to your question "I wonder how much play this will get."
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Jul 2 2010, 08:42 AM
You won't see it in "local media" in the US as most "mass media" in the US suck at reporting foreign news. This Iran thing has no US involvement. Surely there are more tragic news that one women getting stoned to death; famine, child/women slavery/traficking, pandemics, etc. But, no, your "local media" prefer to give the non-advertising square inches to some local teenager doing some volunteering/charity or some local high school having a prom. And we get giddy if piano or classical music non-news get a few inches of column space every once in a while.

That, George, is also the answer to your question "I wonder how much play this will get."
I think you meant "one woman", Ax. To that I would say, "If it were only one woman." It's not just one. It's one after another.
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John D'Oh
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There are massive human rights abuses going on throughout the world. None are as important as some kid who didn't get into his dad's balloon, some daft girl trying to sail around the world or whether Miley Cyrus is still a virgin.

You can blame the media if you like, but we're the ones reading this sh!t.
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What the hell. Let's 'stone' the mullahs.

Of course our stones are bigger than theirs.
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Jul 2 2010, 08:50 AM
Axtremus
Jul 2 2010, 08:42 AM
You won't see it in "local media" in the US as most "mass media" in the US suck at reporting foreign news. This Iran thing has no US involvement. Surely there are more tragic news that one women getting stoned to death; famine, child/women slavery/traficking, pandemics, etc. But, no, your "local media" prefer to give the non-advertising square inches to some local teenager doing some volunteering/charity or some local high school having a prom. And we get giddy if piano or classical music non-news get a few inches of column space every once in a while.

That, George, is also the answer to your question "I wonder how much play this will get."
I think you meant "one woman", Ax. To that I would say, "If it were only one woman." It's not just one. It's one after another.
The local high school have proms year after year after year ... the "local media" are digging them, more so than they dig the abuse of one foreign woman after another after another. :shrug:
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Jul 2 2010, 09:01 AM
What the hell. Let's 'stone' the mullahs.

Of course our stones are bigger than theirs.
Sadly, when we do that there's a lot of innocent men, women and children that get killed by accident, and then we leave and the mullahs come back.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Jul 2 2010, 09:03 AM
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Jul 2 2010, 08:50 AM
Axtremus
Jul 2 2010, 08:42 AM
You won't see it in "local media" in the US as most "mass media" in the US suck at reporting foreign news. This Iran thing has no US involvement. Surely there are more tragic news that one women getting stoned to death; famine, child/women slavery/traficking, pandemics, etc. But, no, your "local media" prefer to give the non-advertising square inches to some local teenager doing some volunteering/charity or some local high school having a prom. And we get giddy if piano or classical music non-news get a few inches of column space every once in a while.

That, George, is also the answer to your question "I wonder how much play this will get."
I think you meant "one woman", Ax. To that I would say, "If it were only one woman." It's not just one. It's one after another.
The local high school have proms year after year after year ... the "local media" are digging them, more so than they dig the abuse of one foreign woman after another after another. :shrug:
I'm not disagreeing, Ax. I'm saying this needs more media attention. It should be in all the major papers to shine a light on this. We should also question why it does not get more press, which I think is the point George wants to make. And as I noted above, I'm not holding my breath while waiting to see more coverage of yet one more woman being stoned to death without any witnesses to her supposed crime.

Thank you for posting this, George.


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George K
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Exactly. While the media is screaming about 'racism' in Arizona, and supporting a foreign government's involvement in our legislation (while ignoring the inconvenient truth that that government's laws are even more restrictive), a true human rights tragedy is given scant, if any coverage.
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We should also question why it does not get more press, which I think is the point George wants to make.
Heck, I'd question you and George why you think this, and not other tragedies/abuses elsewhere around the world, ought to get more press.
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Jul 2 2010, 09:07 AM
Mikhailoh
Jul 2 2010, 09:01 AM
What the hell. Let's 'stone' the mullahs.

Of course our stones are bigger than theirs.
Sadly, when we do that there's a lot of innocent men, women and children that get killed by accident, and then we leave and the mullahs come back.
So you pick today to be humorless? Oh yeah... bad mood due to Independence Day. :lol2:
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Jul 2 2010, 09:19 AM
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We should also question why it does not get more press, which I think is the point George wants to make.
Heck, I'd question you and George why you think this, and not other tragedies/abuses elsewhere around the world, ought to get more press.
Ax, you're right. These women just don't deserve to live. There are certainly more worthy stories of abuse that are more important. :rolleyes2:
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Ax, the other stories of abuse and tragedy don't make these women less deserving of having their story told, too.
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Jul 2 2010, 09:29 AM
Ax, the other stories of abuse and tragedy don't make these women less deserving of having their story told, too.
+1.

Obvious enough, IMO.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Ax: I think this is a basic difference between our world views.
For me, the violation is the same whether it's one woman being stoned or millions dying in genocide - it's a violation of individual rights as a human. I don't believe in quantity being more valuable, so it doesn't follow logically for me that atrocities happening to more people deserve more coverage than atrocities happening to one.
Her rights are to me as valid and important as the rights of a million in the Congo.
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The woman's rights are very important. The problem is, nobody over here wants to read about it. This isn't mostly due to cynical media manipulation, but Western insularity and superficiality.
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Jul 2 2010, 09:36 AM
The woman's rights are very important. The problem is, nobody over here wants to read about it. This isn't mostly due to cynical media manipulation, but Western insularity and superficiality.
John, this nobody wants to see it on the front page. :wave:
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John, I understand what you're saying and to a degree you're right.
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Jul 2 2010, 09:36 AM
The woman's rights are very important. The problem is, nobody over here wants to read about it. This isn't mostly due to cynical media manipulation, but Western insularity and superficiality.
Hmmm..., yes and no, we read of various human rights issues in the media here, but not of these women's issues so much. Again, I think George's point is that a topic here will be trumped up as a human rights issue, perhaps on very shaky logic, while a true tragedy against human rights, with life threatening consequences, is ignored. The inconsistency of the indignation is the point.

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Jul 2 2010, 10:02 AM
John D'Oh
Jul 2 2010, 09:36 AM
The woman's rights are very important. The problem is, nobody over here wants to read about it. This isn't mostly due to cynical media manipulation, but Western insularity and superficiality.
Hmmm..., yes and no, we read of various human rights issues in the media here, but not of these women's issues so much. Again, I think George's point is that a topic here will be trumped up as a human rights issue, perhaps on very shaky logic, while a true tragedy against human rights, with life threatening consequences, is ignored. The inconsistency of the indignation is the point.

Fox News doesn't get all bent out of shape by European tax increases either. People complain about Arizona, because it's their government that's doing it, just as they complain about Obama because he's the US President.

In fact, I'd go as far as to suggest that Fox News complains more about US tax increases than they do about the Chinese oppression of Tibet or the genocide in Rwanda. On a global scale of 1 to 10 million, one of these probably rates a 5, and one rates a 10 million, but which is which?

Certain groups of people regularly compare Obama to Hitler - now, either they're incredibly stupid, woefully ill-informed, or they've got some f*cked up agenda of their own. Why not go and complain about people who are actually like Hitler?
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Jul 2 2010, 10:14 AM
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Jul 2 2010, 10:02 AM
John D'Oh
Jul 2 2010, 09:36 AM
The woman's rights are very important. The problem is, nobody over here wants to read about it. This isn't mostly due to cynical media manipulation, but Western insularity and superficiality.
Hmmm..., yes and no, we read of various human rights issues in the media here, but not of these women's issues so much. Again, I think George's point is that a topic here will be trumped up as a human rights issue, perhaps on very shaky logic, while a true tragedy against human rights, with life threatening consequences, is ignored. The inconsistency of the indignation is the point.

Fox News doesn't get all bent out of shape by European tax increases either. People complain about Arizona, because it's their government that's doing it, just as they complain about Obama because he's the US President.

In fact, I'd go as far as to suggest that Fox News complains more about US tax increases than they do about the Chinese oppression of Tibet or the genocide in Rwanda. On a global scale of 1 to 10 million, one of these probably rates a 5, and one rates a 10 million, but which is which?

Certain groups of people regularly compare Obama to Hitler - now, either they're incredibly stupid, woefully ill-informed, or they've got some f*cked up agenda of their own. Why not go and complain about people who are actually like Hitler?
That's the 'yes' component as I noted above. Local news surely has the advantage in local coverage.

I'm glad to see CNN at least had an article at its website on the stoning issue. Call me crazy, but I want more coverage of this topic. Sometimes the media can make a swing in public opinion, and this topic screams for it.
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Ain't irony ironical? From just 10 weeks ago:
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UN Elects Iran to Commission on Women's Rights

Without fanfare, the United Nations this week elected Iran to its Commission on the Status of Women, handing a four-year seat on the influential human rights body to a theocratic state in which stoning is enshrined in law and lashings are required for women judged "immodest."

Just days after Iran abandoned a high-profile bid for a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council, it began a covert campaign to claim a seat on the Commission on the Status of Women, which is "dedicated exclusively to gender equality and advancement of women," according to its website.

Buried 2,000 words deep in a U.N. press release distributed Wednesday on the filling of "vacancies in subsidiary bodies," was the stark announcement: Iran, along with representatives from 10 other nations, was "elected by acclamation," meaning that no open vote was requested or required by any member states — including the United States. FOXNews.com learned of the press release only after being alerted to it by Anne Bayefsky director of the Touro Institute on Human Rights and the Holocaust.

The U.S. currently holds one of the 45 seats on the body, a position set to expire in 2012. The U.S. Mission to the U.N. did not return requests for comment on whether it actively opposed elevating Iran to the women's commission.

Iran's election comes just a week after one of its senior clerics declared that women who wear revealing clothing are to blame for earthquakes, a statement that created an international uproar — but little affected their bid to become an international arbiter of women's rights.

"Many women who do not dress modestly ... lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes," said the respected cleric, Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi.

As word of Iran's intention to join the women's commission came out, a group of Iranian activists circulated a petition to the U.N. asking that member states oppose its election.

"Iran's discriminatory laws demonstrate that the Islamic Republic does not believe in gender equality," reads the letter, signed by 214 activists and endorsed by over a dozen human rights bodies.


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Iran human rights chief defends stoning sentence.

Head of Human Rights Headquarters [!] of Iran's Judiciary, Mohammad Javad Larijani slammed Western protests against stoning emphasizing that stoning exists in Iran's constitution and it is "legal."

He responded to the recent campaign in international media backed by Western politicians to stop the stoning sentence of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, saying that Iran's judicial system will not change its direction because of "Western attacks" and "media pressures."

Edited by George K, Jul 10 2010, 04:33 PM.
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