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Palin: "Trust the Oil Industry"
Topic Started: May 3 2010, 02:29 PM (941 Views)
jon-nyc
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Good luck with that, Sarah.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36696.html
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Axtremus
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Well, same thing as "trust the financial industry."

To be fair, she acknowledges that strict oversight is needed. Unless you want to nationalize the oil industry, you have to trust the private oil industry to some extent.

The same argument applies to the financial industry.
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Jon, that kind of selective quoting is a misleading, though I do agree with your sentiment. People's trust will be damaged maybe even forever. In the past I'd marveled at the track record of oil platforms. Now we can see how just one mistake is fubar.
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So, the one..........errrr two.........................errr three.......................errrrrr "how many deadly air plane crashes have there been?" has ruined your faith in the airline industry and stopped you from flying ever again?

Toyota - how many cars have been recalled after how many deaths/injuries, and you'll never trust Toyota again?

I didn't think so. Politics as usual.
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the former Republican vice presidential nominee said that she’d still wants “our country to be able to trust the oil industry.”


So she "wants the country to be able to trust" which is about as far from the title of this thread as you can get. Better leave the Palin bashing to the expert - Quirt.
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JoeB
May 3 2010, 05:17 PM
Better leave the Palin bashing to the expert - Quirt.
Dude, you should see Quirt defends Palin.

No, I'm not kidding, seriously ... see for yourself here.
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1hp
May 3 2010, 04:01 PM
So, the one..........errrr two.........................errr three.......................errrrrr "how many deadly air plane crashes have there been?" has ruined your faith in the airline industry and stopped you from flying ever again?

Toyota - how many cars have been recalled after how many deaths/injuries, and you'll never trust Toyota again?

I didn't think so. Politics as usual.
If a single plain crash or car crash could cause the catastrophe in the gulf, yeah, there might be some rethinking about our transportation system.
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So 100 people dying in a plane crash is less significant than an oil spill? Man, life don't mean much anymore.

Just so we're clear on this, The Times is claiming that the US had a disaster plan for just such a scenario but did not use it.


The US had burn-off plans for oil spills but the equipment wasn't there

The White House faced claims last night that the Gulf Coast oil spill could have been contained and kept far from land within days of the Deepwater Horizon explosion if oil from the gushing wellhead had been burnt off in line with a plan drafted by the US Government for precisely this sort of disaster.

The plan requires the immediate deployment of specialised “fire booms” capable of burning 95 per cent of a slick— but not one boom was available on the Gulf Coast at the time of the blast, according to a supplier who eventually provided one eight days later.

“The whole reason the plan was created was so that we could pull the trigger right away,” Ron Gourget, a former federal oil spill response co-ordinator and one of those who drafted the document, said yesterday.


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May 3 2010, 08:16 PM
So 100 people dying in a plane crash is less significant than an oil spill? Man, life don't mean much anymore.
People have a tolerance for the risk of air and car travel. They may accept this and move on to business as usual, but expanding off shore drilling as planned? Probably won't happen unless gas spikes higher than it did two years ago.
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Industrial safety isn't a matter of trust, it's a matter of doing the best you can within a legislated framework and common working practices based on the technology available.

Safety is always a compromise between profitability and what is considered reasonable. This may sound a little cold, but it's the simple truth. You can't spend gazillions of dollars making a process safe if the process will only bring in millions of dollars.

Also, the entire American approach to oil exploration can't be dictated by a single disaster. As happened with the Piper Alpha disaster in the North Sea in the 1980's, we need to learn, improve as best we can, and move on. Anybody who is actually surprised when these kind of disasters occur really hasn't being paying attention to the last 2000 years of human endeavour.
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............but expanding off shore drilling as planned? Probably won't happen unless gas spikes higher than it did two years ago.


So no more expansion of offshore drilling. Meanwhile the talking heads cite wind and solar. But the environmentalists don't want to build new transmissions systems to support these. And the rich don't want to look at windmills from the front porch of their vacation homes. And birds fly into the windmill blades. And nuclear is a bad word. And coal is dirty, and we need to tax it's emissions.

Do you know why they came up with the smart grid idea? It's because the US is getting close to a situation where the electric supply can't meet demand, so they have to be able to control demand.

I fear for this country's future, for the lack of any real energy planning (going back decades).

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May 4 2010, 07:58 AM
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............but expanding off shore drilling as planned? Probably won't happen unless gas spikes higher than it did two years ago.


So no more expansion of offshore drilling. Meanwhile the talking heads cite wind and solar. But the environmentalists don't want to build new transmissions systems to support these. And the rich don't want to look at windmills from the front porch of their vacation homes. And birds fly into the windmill blades. And nuclear is a bad word. And coal is dirty, and we need to tax it's emissions.

Do you know why they came up with the smart grid idea? It's because the US is getting close to a situation where the electric supply can't meet demand, so they have to be able to control demand.

I fear for this country's future, for the lack of any real energy planning (going back decades).

Presumably invading Kuwait is out of the question?
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But we *were* welcomed as liberators last time.

I do agree with Ian and John's statements above. People do get too emotional over these things. I doubt that Obama has the balls to push forward with his (day late dollar short) energy plans. I suspect he'll shove those tough decisions off the the next President in 2012.
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May 4 2010, 09:27 AM
I suspect he'll shove those tough decisions off the the next President in 2012.
Next one doesn't come in until 2017.
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Ahhhh....the "It ain't over 'til it's over" philosophy.

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1hp
May 4 2010, 07:58 AM


Do you know why they came up with the smart grid idea? It's because the US is getting close to a situation where the electric supply can't meet demand, so they have to be able to control demand.



Do you think that's a bad idea? Seems to be that controlling our seemingly insatiable need for energy could be a positive thing. There's so much more that all of us could do to consume less. If it won't be done willingly, then perhaps it will by necessity.

Oh, and as to your value of human life argument, don't forget the 11 missing (probably dead) workers from the rig and the three critically injured. And the company that owns the rig had been previously been cited for safety violations. List of the worst oil rig fatalities
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May 5 2010, 05:10 AM
With 167 dead, the Piper Alpha disaster caused big changes in the way safety was managed and more importantly thought about, both offshore and elsewhere, at least in the North Sea. In 1989 I was employed by a company who specialised in certifying equipment for use in explosive atmospheres, and we experienced a huge upswing in work dealing with Aberdeen - both in certifying equipment and in providing training courses to the oil companies operating in the North Sea.
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Do you think that's a bad idea?


Are you kidding me? Just wait until you're suffering from the hottest summer day, and your air conditioners are turned off. This country is fast approaching 3rd world status. People talk about attracting the best and brightest from other countries - why would anyone want to come here if everything is rationed?

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Oh, and as to your value of human life argument, don't forget the 11 missing (probably dead) workers from the rig and the three critically injured.


I haven't forgotten. But the press and talking heads denouncing offshore drilling have not mentioned them. While we're on the subject, don't forget the rancher killed in Arizona by illegals. And the Arizona deputy shot by illegals. Or Robert Rosas who was shot 8 times in the head, neck and torso from behind, by Mexicans who crossed the border, then ran back across for protection.

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kathyk
May 5 2010, 05:10 AM
Seems to be that controlling our seemingly insatiable need for energy could be a positive thing. There's so much more that all of us could do to consume less. If it won't be done willingly, then perhaps it will by necessity.

I agree. The government needs to step in to stop you taking those massively energy consuming vacations since you won't do so voluntarily. :thumb:
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1hp
May 5 2010, 08:07 AM
People talk about attracting the best and brightest from other countries - why would anyone want to come here if everything is rationed?

People want to come here even when everything is rationed because:

1. Getting some of the desirable things from rations is better than not getting any of the desirable things.

2. Freedom of expression, freedom to practice just about any religion.

3. Political stability.

4. Rule of law.

5. Generally excellent food and drug safety, disease control, and consumer protection.

6. Generally secure homeland.

Even if everything is rationed, here would still be better than many 3rd world regions.
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Ms. Palin's follow-up:

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So, uhm, don't trust the foreigners.

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... for eighteen long years, that dodgy, not-to-be-trusted foreign oil company known as British Petroleum employed one Todd Palin.
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May 5 2010, 12:48 PM
Ms. Palin's follow-up:

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So, uhm, don't trust the foreigners.

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... for eighteen long years, that dodgy, not-to-be-trusted foreign oil company known as British Petroleum employed one Todd Palin.
The sound of straws being grasped.

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For eighteen years, he worked for BP in the North Slope oil fields of Alaska. In 2007, in order to avoid a conflict of interest relating to his wife's position as governor, he took a leave[10] from his job as production supervisor when his employer became involved in natural gas pipeline negotiations with his wife's administration.[3] Seven months later, because the family needed more income, Todd returned to BP. In order to avoid potential conflict of interest, this time he accepted a non-management position as a production operator.


So before Sarah was even on Wasilla City Council, Todd was already entrenched with BP. :lol2:
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May 5 2010, 01:20 PM
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