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What would you do if the Ark was discovered?; ...would it change your mind
Topic Started: Apr 27 2010, 09:53 AM (786 Views)
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I've heard claims over the years (including a recent one) that this or that team has found evidence of Noah's Ark at Mt. Ararat.

Honestly, I'm just curious...if archeologists conclusively found Noah's Ark, would it change any of your beliefs, specifially regarding the Bible?

Would it matter if the carbon dating came back as 4,000 BC or 10,000,000 BC?

And yes I'm expecting copycat threads and snarky answers, it's ok.

Just curious!
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I would say, "cool!"
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Honestly?

I'd be expecting one of you to link us to the evidence on eBay.
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kenny
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No.
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Tha Ark is in Ann Arbor.

Ya, rly.

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Finding the Ark wouldn't phase me - I actually believe it is based on a true story and just the facts have been enhanced. Now if they find evidence that there really was two of every creature on earth aboard, that's another matter altogether.
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No.

Finding remnants of an ancient boat, sure I'll buy that. Boats have been around for a long time.
And I could believe there might have been a guy named Noah who had a boat.

Until anything beyond that is proven, my mind hasn't changed, no.
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It would absolutely change my mind. I would totally think Indiana Jones was a real person.

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sue
Apr 27 2010, 10:32 AM
No.

Finding remnants of an ancient boat, sure I'll buy that. Boats have been around for a long time.
And I could believe there might have been a guy named Noah who had a boat.

Until anything beyond that is proven, my mind hasn't changed, no.
I know Sue...I'm saying if hypothetically it was proven conclusively. Would it change your mind?
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Apr 27 2010, 10:22 AM
Finding the Ark wouldn't phase me - I actually believe it is based on a true story and just the facts have been enhanced. Now if they find evidence that there really was two of every creature on earth aboard, that's another matter altogether.
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If they found the remains of a boat large enough to house two of every single living creature in the world plus food for over 40 days and 40 nights AND keep them from killing each other then yes, I'd be convinced. Convinced that someone had slipped something pretty damn fine in my drink.
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Apr 27 2010, 10:37 AM
sue
Apr 27 2010, 10:32 AM
No.

Finding remnants of an ancient boat, sure I'll buy that. Boats have been around for a long time.
And I could believe there might have been a guy named Noah who had a boat.

Until anything beyond that is proven, my mind hasn't changed, no.
I know Sue...I'm saying if hypothetically it was proven conclusively. Would it change your mind?
ok then, yes I guess hypothetically it might change my mind about that story. But I just cannot fathom that every happening; it's just too out there.

Would it change my mind about the whole bible.....not really, I can't see not thinking it's just a bunch of stories, but I suppose if that first one was proven beyond a shadow of doubt, I'd be open to the possibility of others having some basis in fact.
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Follow up question - where did Noah keep the termites? :)
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Actually, Genesis tells us that Noah had more animals than that. He was instructed to have one pair of all ceremonially unclean animals, and seven pairs of each of the rest. The double instructions - most likely the interweaving of two slightly different versions of the oral tradition that preceeded its being written down - are found in Genesis 6:19-20; and Genesis 7:2-3.
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Not only did he have to spend all that time with stinky animals, he had to listen to Genesis too?
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Thanks Sue for the response - I'm always looking to develop my beliefs in which bible stories were literal and which ones were allegorical and perhaps Noah's Ark was one in between....
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Imagine if religions didn't require faith.
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Apr 27 2010, 10:47 AM
Not only did he have to spend all that time with stinky animals, he had to listen to Genesis too?
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I think that much of the Book of Genesis is intended to be more allegorical, explaining origins and setting the stage, if you will, of the world as it existed at the time of its writing. That doesn't mean that it doesn't have certain aspects that are based on factual events - not at all. But I don't think that even the original creators of many of the Genesis accounts intended them to be understood as historical documents. Even their idea of historical documentation included more leeway for interpretation and conveyance of "meaning over 100% factual data," compared with our (alleged) insistence on history being objective and factual.

But to say that these Genesis accounts aren't as *factual* as a front-page newspaper story, is something very different from saying they aren't *true*. Genesis (and most scriptures, for that matter) are far more concerned with conveying *truths* than they are with conveying *facts*. To the biblical writers, there isn't a lot of concern with the specifics of how the cosmos came into being through God; the important truth is that it did, in fact, come by God, and *why* it did.

I think that while other accounts earlier in Genesis have some historical basis (Tower of Babel, the Flood account, etc.), I think the point where we can start to say "Yes, this was an actual historical person, and the stories are now becoming at least closer to our modern concepts of 'history' " would be with Abraham and Sarah. Even these accounts have an eye toward conveying truth more importantly than historical fact, but here is where you can really start to place some historical corroboration to what's going on in the stories, etc.
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Imagine if religions didn't require faith.


It's been my opinion that faith isn't too difficult to come by as long as you keep an open mind.

Take a look at your fish tank for instance. Look at everything you have to do to keep those fish alive. All the testing and all of the cleaning, the special filters, the water temperature, nitrate levels, etc... It's a heck of a job just keeping these things alive. I'm always amazed at how much M&M's has to do for these fish, I love to eat Doritos on the couch and watch her work.

Yet all of the things that you have to do for your fish in order for them to survive, just circumstantially happen in nature? Where the environment is much harsher, with more variables, more impurities, extremes in temperature, and not only do these fish survive, but they thrive? Then take a look at every other species of life on earth, and the seemingly fragile chain necessary for life to even exist let alone grow and thrive. The intricacies involved are beyond overwhelming. Skeptics look at The Bible and scoff "How could God exist." I look at the world around us and ask "How could He not?"
Edited by Luke's Dad, Apr 27 2010, 11:13 AM.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Apr 27 2010, 10:37 AM
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The sci-fi version would have Noah collect DNA samples (instead of creatures) and bring a reproduction machine to reproduce those animals using the DNA samples after the flood. (This would get around most of the logistical challenges that D'Oh pointed out.)

But, sure, whether it's the SciFi version of the King James version, a conclusive proof of Noah's Ark's existence would certainly change my view about the Bible.
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To answer the original question, it wouldnt change my mind at all, but I would find the discovery fascinating and want to learn all I can about it. Same how I feel about the shroud of turin and sasquatch. I find mythology (and how it interwines with historical fact and folklore) a fascinating and beautiful emergent property of culture.
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Is this what prompted the thread?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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