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Topic Started: Apr 13 2010, 03:44 PM (385 Views)
John Galt
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I usually don't post this kind of stuff, but I just can't stop myself
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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sue
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Getting there is apparently half the fun for the former Alaska governor - airfare shall be first-class for two, unless of course a private jet can be rounded up. But not just any old jet will do.

"The private aircraft MUST BE a Lear 60 or larger (as defined by interior cabin space) for West Coast Events; or, a Hawker 800 or Larger," states the contract, which adds that "the Speaker Reserves the right to change the flight plans at any time."

Ground transportation "will be by SUV" - natch - although "black town cars may be substituted."


Well all that's understandable. You need good sized transportation devices so there's enough room for that swollen head.
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Kincaid
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Sounds like some PR person believes this is the way to keep score.

Palin, while complicit, seems to be a bit to "you betcha" to know a Lear 60 from a Hawker 800.
Edited by Kincaid, Apr 13 2010, 07:48 PM.
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'Straws must be bendable, not straight. There shall be two bottles, not just one, of unopened water at her lectern. And please, "no Plexiglass or thin lecterns."'

Sounds reasonable to me. Even 'regular' folks know what they like and don't like.
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Bendy straw -- so you can sip without nodding/tipping your head down and not have those vampire eyes that would naturally occur when trying to sip and look at the audience at the same time; more photogenic that way.

No plexiglass/thin lecterns - better obscure body movements, thus having less to worry about lower body posture and body language.

Don't have problem with the optics. SUV, 1st class commercial, private jet ... mere creature comfort.

But the part about having all questions pre-screened, pre-selected, and asked by pre-designated 3rd party, that just says the speaker cannot (or is unwilling to) handle tough questions.
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But the part about having all questions pre-screened, pre-selected, and asked by pre-designated 3rd party, that just says the speaker cannot (or is unwilling to) handle tough questions.


Just like the way Obama has done?

"The point is the control from here. We have never had that in the White House. And we have had some control but not this control. I mean I’m amazed, I’m amazed at you people who call for openness and transparency and have controlled…" veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas said Wednesday.
[July 2009]

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Red Rice
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These types of conditions are standard in contracts for public performances, whether for a speaking engagement or a rock concert.

They may seem really nit-picky and prima donna-ish, but they're also there for a tactical legal reason.

They are an easy way for performers to check for possible contract breaches. If, for example, the Rolling Stones find brown M&Ms in their bowl of candy, when they specifically requested NO brown M&Ms, they know that's a sign that other contract conditions may have also been breached, and can call their lawyers to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb. It also makes it easier to sue if the breaches are egregious enough.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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Red Rice
Apr 14 2010, 07:11 AM
These types of conditions are standard in contracts for public performances, whether for a speaking engagement or a rock concert.

They may seem really nit-picky and prima donna-ish, but they're also there for a tactical legal reason.

Exactly. If that is the extent of Palin's contract rider it is nothing compared to one I had to deal with two year's ago for a certain famous oceanographer to come and give a lunch presention an annual water symposium we organize.
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sue
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Apr 14 2010, 07:11 AM
These types of conditions are standard in contracts for public performances, whether for a speaking engagement or a rock concert.

They may seem really nit-picky and prima donna-ish, but they're also there for a tactical legal reason.

They are an easy way for performers to check for possible contract breaches. If, for example, the Rolling Stones find brown M&Ms in their bowl of candy, when they specifically requested NO brown M&Ms, they know that's a sign that other contract conditions may have also been breached, and can call their lawyers to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb. It also makes it easier to sue if the breaches are egregious enough.
Still seems petty and arrogant to me. Instead of wasting everybody's time, making sure all the brown M&M's are picked out, all the straws are bent just so....why not just have your legal team over the details of the contract that actually mean anything, and get on with it. Seems to me a 'professional' performer could adapt to being driven in a car that might not be black, or could just pick around the brown candies in the bowl.
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Red Rice
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sue
Apr 14 2010, 10:02 AM
Instead of wasting everybody's time, making sure all the brown M&M's are picked out, all the straws are bent just so....why not just have your legal team over the details of the contract that actually mean anything
Because it's expensive and time-consuming to get the lawyers to see if every condition has been met at the venue as per the contract. Far quicker, easier and cheaper (from the performer's point of view, that is) to see if there are brown M&Ms in the candy bowl.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Apr 14 2010, 10:29 AM
sue
Apr 14 2010, 10:02 AM
Instead of wasting everybody's time, making sure all the brown M&M's are picked out, all the straws are bent just so....why not just have your legal team over the details of the contract that actually mean anything
Because it's expensive and time-consuming to get the lawyers to see if every condition has been met at the venue as per the contract. Far quicker, easier and cheaper (from the performer's point of view, that is) to see if there are brown M&Ms in the candy bowl.
But you're right, it does seem prima donnish. Obviously, not something she would have wanted to be known publicly.
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Apr 14 2010, 09:57 AM
"Ain't she great?" - Copper
:lol:
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Apr 14 2010, 10:29 AM
sue
Apr 14 2010, 10:02 AM
Instead of wasting everybody's time, making sure all the brown M&M's are picked out, all the straws are bent just so....why not just have your legal team over the details of the contract that actually mean anything
Because it's expensive and time-consuming to get the lawyers to see if every condition has been met at the venue as per the contract. Far quicker, easier and cheaper (from the performer's point of view, that is) to see if there are brown M&Ms in the candy bowl.
I thought Sarah Palin was a leader for all those people who said that most of our problems could be solved if only there were fewer lawyers.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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So, all you who think the contract is a bit much should read Al Gore's contracts. He also demanded it be held confidential, but of course the engagement was with a California University, so of course it is public information.

He solved the press question problem by just requiring that no press be allowed to be present.

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John Galt
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From the link 1hp posted:

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The Gore contract, which is
more restrained than the one used by Rudolph Giuliani...


OK, don't leave us hanging; what does Rudy require?

I hope none of these folks ever comes to my house for dinner. They'll get water and gruel, no straw (bendable or otherwise), and I'll pick them up at the airport in my 1999 ES300, dents and all...
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Apr 14 2010, 11:42 AM
So, all you who think the contract is a bit much should read Al Gore's contracts. He also demanded it be held confidential, but of course the engagement was with a California University, so of course it is public information.

He solved the press question problem by just requiring that no press be allowed to be present.

I think Al Gore is every bit as big an ass-clown as Sarah Palin.

When I give a presentation, I feel blessed if I get a glass of water and nobody throws things. Obviously, I'm not in possession of the towering intellect or scintillating wit with which these two individuals were gifted, but nevertheless...
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Have to search for Rudy's contract. However it looks like there are tons on Al Gore and his "press issue".

Why do Democrats Hate the Press?


People assume that Republican politicians hate the media, but at least they don’t shut them out of events like leading Democrats do. Last week, President Barack Obama had a ceremony at the White House to receive an award from an association of black journalists — and locked the national media out of the event. Gearlog now notes that Al Gore, who stumps the world for global-warming policy changes and to educate people on the Coming Environmental Catastrophe, has decided to cut the press out of his appearances, too (via Romanesko):

In a highly ironic move, Al Gore has barred the press from even attending his speech at the upcoming CTIA Wireless 2009 conference, the nation’s largest gathering of the wireless communications industry.

The ban only applies to people with press badges. If you’re a corporate or personal blogger or Tweeter, apparently you can get in to the 4,000-seat auditorium where the speech will be held on April 3. The wireless industry group running the conference, CTIA washed their hands of the ban, saying that it’s part of Al Gore’s standard speaking contract and that there was nothing they could do about it.

That’s part of his “standard speaking contract”? Say, didn’t Gore teach a few classes at Columbia’s School of Journalism in 2001, where journalists train for their craft? In fact, he did — and imposed a gag order on them, threatening them with expulsion from his class if they spoke to the press. He did the same thing in 2007 when he appeared at South Dakota’s Augustana College.
Edited by 1hp, Apr 14 2010, 12:03 PM.
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Here's Rudy's: Rudy Giuliani: No Free Speech

We've previously posted the tour riders of Dick Cheney and John Kerry, but those two pols look like pikers compared to the high-rolling, diva-like Rudolph Giuliani, wannabe Republican presidential candidate. The former New York mayor has been banking a whopping $100,000 per speech to corporations, trade groups, and university audiences, according to his standard appearance contract. The document, a copy of which you'll find below, notes that Giuliani, 62, requires private air transportation to his gigs. But, the contract states, any old plane won't do: "Please note that the private aircraft MUST BE a Gulfstream IV or bigger." Such a jet sells for about $30 million, in case you're wondering. Giuliani's speech contract also requires him to be lodged in a two-bedroom hotel suite, which is to be flanked by rooms occupied by his security team. Rudy's suite must be registered in the name of a representative of the Washington Speakers Bureau, which arranges Giuliani appearances. And Giuliani is very picky about how he is to be photographed at gigs, apparently concerned that "direct, on-camera flash bulbs" result in none-too-flattering images. He also imposes restrictions on press coverage of his appearances, during which he speaks for 45 minutes and answers audience questions for 15 minutes. A copy of Giuliani's contract was released by Oklahoma State University, where he spoke last March for $100,000 (and cost the school an additional $47,000 in jet expenses). Oh, one other thing: someone needs to let the politician's agents know that their client's name is spelled "Giuliani," not "Giulinni."
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If, for example, the Rolling Stones find brown M&Ms in their bowl of candy, when they specifically requested NO brown M&Ms, they know that's a sign that other contract conditions may have also been breached,



Actually, that one was Van Halen.

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kenny
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I once read the list of requirements for Luciano Pavarotti.
Talk about a diva. :rolleyes2:
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Yes. And there is nothing excessive in that contract. Nothing whatsoever. If you have to travel regularly for business you want it as decent as it can be.
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Apr 14 2010, 12:34 PM
Yes. And there is nothing excessive in that contract. Nothing whatsoever. If you have to travel regularly for business you want it as decent as it can be.
I always travel by Lear jet. I find it keeps me in touch with the common man who pays my wages and cleans my shoes.
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I must live in a cave (not D'Oh's man-cave, just my own). I had no idea political figures put these kinds of clauses into contracts, and that it is so commonplace. I'm sure singers, actors and other non-political celebrities have their own interesting "requirements". I don't even want to know the details.

You know, it is really much easier to be happy when you are as simple-minded as I am (all meanings of "simple-minded" intended)....and for a mere $10,000 an hour, I'll be glad to help these folks live a simpler and happier life....

:D
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sarah.. the voice of the angry.

i doubt if she imagined it would be so.
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