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Obama authorizes assassination of American citizen
Topic Started: Apr 8 2010, 03:52 AM (994 Views)
Mikhailoh
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JBryan
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John D'Oh
Apr 8 2010, 04:34 PM
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Apr 8 2010, 03:31 PM
I think the who idea of hypocrisy on this issue is more to do with the "left" or the Obamaphiles. I think most people realize that Obama has proven to be pretty pragmatic on foreign policy. In this area I support him. I know it would be nice to be able to capture this guy and try him in court for treason, but since that is unlikely and since actionable intelligence seems to say his death might stop who knows what kind of attack from occurring, I say dispatch him with a predator drone missle as soon as we have a good idea what rock he is under.
Obama is neither as great as the left paint him or as bad as the right do. He's just another bloke trying to get by in a difficult and frequently incomprehensible world.
That has been said about every president. Please try to supply us with something worth "clicking".
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The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday. . . .


What an odd thing to be worried about.
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JBryan
Apr 8 2010, 05:00 PM
Please try to supply us with something worth "clicking".
http://www.sarah-palin.com/

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JBryan
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Ooookay, are you trying to say these things will be said of Sarah Palin when she gets elected president with Rick Astley as her vice president? Just trying to connect the D'oh dots here.

"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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JBryan
Apr 9 2010, 04:01 AM
Ooookay, are you trying to say these things will be said of Sarah Palin when she gets elected president with Rick Astley as her vice president? Just trying to connect the D'oh dots here.

Rick Astley would be totally unsuitable as a candidate for VP for one reason, and one reason alone. He was born in Lancashire in the United Kingdom, very close to where I was raised incidentally, and there's some stupid rule.

Then again, there may have been a precedent set by the current bloke if you believe what you read, so who knows?

Apparently Alaska is part of America, despite being part of the Canadian mainland, so I guess Sarah's OK since she was effectively born in a US colony.

(I know, I know, she wasn't actually born in Alaska)
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big al
Apr 8 2010, 10:45 AM
Consider an analogy. If someone is holding a gun and threatening to shoot hostages in an apartment, a sniper's shot to kill him and save the hostages is justifiable homicide. If he's holding a gun, there are no hostages at hand and no threat is imminent, he can surrender the gun and come out or risk the consequences of trying to fight or flee. I don't see this situation as being fundamentally different except the person in question is apparently in Yemen, not an apartment in Manhattan.

Am I misunderstanding what is moral and legal in such situations?

Big Al
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Mik: I am having some difficulty here understanding your position.

If Awlaki is a fugitive who is actively carrying out a war of terrorism against the US -- and no one seems to be saying that is not the case -- then the President on behalf of the nation can act as he deems fit, especially given the Constitutional permission to Act, the Congressional authorization, and the SCOTUS rulings.

It seems the best thing for Awlaki to do would be to turn himself in to authorities if he is as concerned about due process as you are.
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One can be tried and sentenced in absentia if that is the case. But who said he was a fugitive?

There is a huge difference between detaining a person - see Padilla - and authorizing their summary execution.
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Mikhailoh
Apr 10 2010, 01:06 PM
One can be tried and sentenced in absentia if that is the case. But who said he was a fugitive?

There is a huge difference between detaining a person - see Padilla - and authorizing their summary execution.
As I said, then it would be best if Awlaki turned himself in to the nearest US embassy to get this unfortunate misunderstanding all cleared up.

I am having a hard time getting any outrage over this. Getting back to Big Al's analogy, he does seem to be an imminent threat if there is evidence in his participation the Fort Hood, Detroit and 9/11 attacks. Read up on him -- I am not seeing where the US is being wrong here -- he is entrenched among the Awlaq in Yemen -- its not like the cops can pick him up for questioning.
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He's effectively resisting arrest. I don't seem to think that those two American citizens Bonnie and Clyde were read their rights either.
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