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Michelle Obama tells us what her husband's home country is...
Topic Started: Apr 6 2010, 04:45 PM (1,824 Views)
kathyk
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Apr 7 2010, 10:00 AM
kathyk
Apr 7 2010, 09:54 AM
You may not see it, but then I wouldn't expect you to.

Frank Rich wrote on excellent article a week ago last Sunday touching on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html
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Okay, kathy, just keep digging your hole. You can continue to insult me and every other person here (and elsewhere, for that matter) who happens to have a disagreement with Obama but you are only making a fool of yourself.
Is it digging a hole to argue a point at TNCR? Sorry, JB, but the idea of racism coloring (no pun intended) the view of much of the Obama hatred is hardly novel or even radical. You may disagree with it, but it's a previaling view point.
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It is absolute utter bollocks and a way to bully the opposition rather than debate issues. I will be the first to admit that the topic of this thread was not intended as a high minded discussion of the issues of the day but, rather, was a shot at Obama and his qualifications for the presidency but it had nothing, NOTHING whatever to do with race. You brought that up and it is insulting.
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Apr 7 2010, 08:24 AM
As I said in my post above, 89, I draw the line at ripping apart the president's family. Also, with regard to the chimp comparisons to Bush, there was no racist overtone in those. That was more akin to making fun of Obama's blue lips or funny ears. The Michelle evolved from monkey joke was blatantly racist.
How is that racist?

If anything, it's facial-expressionist.

Nothing to do with her skin color.

Why is it liberals seem to be the only ones that bring up race?
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So what does the color of their skin have to do with it? Are black people not descended from apes in your opinion?
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The point is, the subject of this post has nothing to do with disagreeing with Obama and everything to do with demonizing him. It belongs in the same knee-jerk category as the birther allegations, the Muslim allegations, and all of the other ridiculous, confabulated allegations. As least most of the nastiness lobbed at Bush *was* a result of his actions as president - that does not appear to be true with the hatred spewed against Obama. I didn't much like Bush from the get-go, but my passionate negative view about his was precipitated by the Iraq war. With Obama, most of the vitriole is not based on any particular thing he's done. In fact, huge numbers of people who hate him don't even really know what he has done as president (with the exception of the health care bill) or realize, that in fact, most of his actions as president have been quite moderate (to the chagrine of those on the left). There is no question in my mind that the source of much of this irrational hatred is racially motivated



Should there be even one among you who still is of the misguided opinion that this woman is capable of rational thought, this quote above should put an end to that..

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What a completely ignorant reply, Mark. Why is it bull? We all know the theory of evolution. But most people are aware of how black people have been caricatured over time using ape images. White people have not been so caricatured. If you are unaware of that, your ignorance doesn't make it less true. This has nothing to do with liberalism or any other code word. Your question may remain on the table, but it remains ignorant and not germane. Screaming Bull at me (with or without the sh!t) afterward only solidifies that you are unable to make a cogent argument.
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George Bush looks like a chimpanzee.

Bill Clinton looks like a baboon.

Michelle Obama looks like an extra from a Planet of the Apes movie.


Now - that has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with what they look like. What they look like has nothing to do with their politics. Obama is a Marxist, and is destroying the country - I believe he's doing it on purpose. I think it would be racist to claim he's doing it because he's that stupid.

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Apr 7 2010, 10:02 AM
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Apr 7 2010, 09:54 AM
You may not see it, but then I wouldn't expect you to.

Frank Rich wrote on excellent article a week ago last Sunday touching on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28rich.html
:doh:

Okay, kathy, just keep digging your hole. You can continue to insult me and every other person here (and elsewhere, for that matter) who happens to have a disagreement with Obama but you are only making a fool of yourself.
Is it digging a hole to argue a point at TNCR? Sorry, JB, but the idea of racism coloring (no pun intended) the view of much of the Obama hatred is hardly novel or even radical. You may disagree with it, but it's a previaling view point.
Fortunately Kathy, the "Racial Epithets", threats, and spitting incident have been thouroghly debunked. Unfortunately, nobody in the MSM (Mr. Rich included) has had any interest in reporting on it. The current reward for evidence of the racial epithets is now at $100,000. Still no evidence. The good Congressman, himself, has backed off the spitting allegation.

As far as the threats go, again a convenient lapse of memory, as there were many threats made against opponents of the bill. Heck, Stupak was quoted as saying his life was hell from all the threats he was receiving while he was still an opponent.

BTW, wasn't it convenient for the entire Black Caucus to walk across the lawn through the protestors to take the vote when they always take the tunnel? Wasn't it also strange of Ms. Pelosi to take the same walk just 15 minutes later, especially after all the "threats, spitting, and epithets" being tossed around? Sounds rather staged to me.
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As [sic] least most of the nastiness lobbed at Bush *was* a result of his actions as president - that does not appear to be true with the hatred spewed against Obama.


Oh really? All the masses of people that have been protesting are all driven not by the man's policies, but by race or some other unimportant motivation? The language here was more subtle, but you've still put the race card face up on the table in this claim.
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Apr 7 2010, 10:55 AM
What a completely ignorant reply, Mark. Why is it bull? We all know the theory of evolution. But most people are aware of how black people have been caricatured over time using ape images. White people have not been so caricatured. If you are unaware of that, your ignorance doesn't make it less true. This has nothing to do with liberalism or any other code word. Your question may remain on the table, but it remains ignorant and not germane. Screaming Bull at me (with or without the sh!t) afterward only solidifies that you are unable to make a cogent argument.
So what if people have been caricatured.

It seems that you cannot criticize this president for anything without being called a racist.

I agree with Larry. Bush looks like a chimp, Clinton a Baboon etc.

Race has nothing to do with it.

No matter what people in the past may have done.

This country is getting ridiculous in it's divisiveness.

So I am not the radically sensitive person you want me to be.

Here let me find that...

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Apr 7 2010, 11:38 AM
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As [sic] least most of the nastiness lobbed at Bush *was* a result of his actions as president - that does not appear to be true with the hatred spewed against Obama.


Oh really? All the masses of people that have been protesting are all driven not by the man's policies, but by race or some other unimportant motivation? The language here was more subtle, but you've still put the race card face up on the table in this claim.
Subtle? This is subtle?

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:darthno: Send them all back to Africa! All of those darkies.
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Look, when black people in the past have routinely been caricatured as apelike, making such an allusion or characterization today is easily identified as potentially racially motivated. This is why comments about the theory of evolution are laughably off the point. The fact that white people occasionally are drawn with apelike features does not have the same racial overtones. There is no tradition in popular (white) culture or literature of connecting the facial features and skin color of Europeans to monkeys and apes. I am thunderstruck that this rather obvious issue is ignored or downplayed. So Kathy may be sensitive about race here, but at least her sensitivity is founded on something. Yet people here are saying that because GWB got portrayed as a monkey means that portraying blacks as apelike must therefore have no racial overtones. This is simplistic bullsh!t that seems quite motivated by the politics of today. It ignores the whole history of racism. One can be a modern conservative and still accept that racism was a potent force in the past, and that it's a force that is not yet gone. One can be a modern conservative and recognize that stereotyping black people with ape imagery was once common, and that the stereotype was racist. If modern conservatism means you must say that night time is day and vice versa, count me out.
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P*D, I agree with you, that the email described earlier comparing Michelle Obama to an ape was hideously, grotesquely racist. There really isn't any question that it was meant to tug at the worst strings of racial prejudice that exists in one form or another within all of us. Equating GWB to a chimp and equating MO to one are not at all equivalent, and no one should delude themselves into thinking that they originated from the same intent. Comparing Bush to a chimp was wrong and insulting for various reasons, but comparing Obama to one will always carry the age-old racial aspect, and can't simply be written off as coincidental funny comparisons of facial gestures. Again, there is NO QUESTION about the disgusting intent and inappropriateness of that email. NONE.

My only issue here is in the assumption that the majority of opposition to Obama is based on his race. That comment, beyond being incorrect, illustrates a kind of racial prejudice in itself.
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No doubt the email Kathy related was racist, and I certainly condemn it. Unsubstantiated claims of racism can be almost as bad and also deserving of condemnation. Kathy's original post in this thread was nearly as offensive as the email she referred to, and in some ways is worse as it was directed at several of us in this forum, where we share a personal relationship with each other.
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Agreeing with P*D and Dewey, though I also wonder if there is anything that Obama can be caricatured with that will not be seen as racist by the left. (Now, a lot of that problem could be because there are soooo many caricatures of blacks that were common in the past).

Anyways, I'm still hoping that Obama will have a Nixon to China deal where racism, quotas, affirmative action, and all that goes with it being put behind us.

Ain't gonna happen. :(blue:(
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The whole racist thing by kathyk was a lame ass attempt to defend Obama by obliquely implying we are all racists and she should be ashamed of herself for it. Those sorts of tactics are why some members are not here now. Try as I might the best I could get from her is an expression of her expectation that I wouldn't see it. Nice.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Apr 7 2010, 03:35 PM
Agreeing with P*D and Dewey, though I also wonder if there is anything that Obama can be caricatured with that will not be seen as racist by the left.
The "Joker" caricature was not seen as "racist."
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Hmmm...Ax, that surprises me if you are right. I'd not heard one way or the other so I'll take your "take" on it. Being something akin to "black face" or minstrel make up, I would have guessed sensitive types would have found it racist.

Interesting.
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The "Joker" caricature was not seen as "racist."


By whom, you? Can you be certain that no one else on the left did? It would be an interesting Google search if I thought I had the time for it.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Agreeing with P*D and Dewey, though I also wonder if there is anything that Obama can be caricatured with that will not be seen as racist by the left.
The "Joker" caricature was not seen as "racist."
Wanna bet?

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So why the anonymity? Perhaps because the poster is ultimately a racially charged image. By using the "urban" makeup of the Heath Ledger Joker, instead of the urbane makeup of the Jack Nicholson character, the poster connects Obama to something many of his detractors fear but can't openly discuss. He is black and he is identified with the inner city, a source of political instability in the 1960s and '70s, and a lingering bogeyman in political consciousness despite falling crime rates.

The Joker's makeup in "Dark Knight" -- the latest film in a long franchise that dramatizes fear of the urban world -- emphasized the wounded nature of the villain, the sense that he was both a product and source of violence. Although Ledger was white, and the Joker is white, this equation of the wounded and the wounding mirrors basic racial typology in America. Urban blacks -- the thinking goes -- don't just live in dangerous neighborhoods, they carry that danger with them like a virus. Scientific studies, which demonstrate the social consequences of living in neighborhoods with high rates of crime, get processed and misinterpreted in the popular unconscious, underscoring the idea. Violence breeds violence.

It is an ugly idea, operating covertly in that gray area that is always supposed to be opened up to honest examination whenever America has one of its "we need to talk this through" episodes. But it lingers, unspoken but powerful, leaving all too many people with the sense that exposure to crime creates an ineluctable propensity to crime.

Superimpose that idea, through the Joker's makeup, onto Obama's face, and you have subtly coded, highly effective racial and political argument. Forget socialism, this poster is another attempt to accomplish an association between Obama and the unpredictable, seeming danger of urban life. It is another effort to establish what failed to jell in the debate about Obama's association with Chicago radical William Ayers and the controversy over the racially charged sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama, like the Joker and like the racial stereotype of the black man, carries within him an unknowable, volatile and dangerous marker of urban violence, which could erupt at any time. The charge of socialism is secondary to the basic message that Obama can't be trusted, not because he is a politician, but because he's black.
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That took about three seconds...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5973064/Barack-Obama-Joker-socialism-poster-denounced-as-racist.html

Just search obama joker poster racist.
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Apr 7 2010, 10:05 AM
utter bollocks
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I am trying valliantly to stand in for you while you are gone. Unfortunately, oblique references to nether regions are as much as I can muster in your stead.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Wait a minute! Aren't you supposed to be banging rocks together to make fire and such? How did you manage "internet".
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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