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Looks Like Quirt Really Did Decide To Bow Out
Topic Started: Apr 6 2010, 02:58 PM (3,314 Views)
Larry
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Oh wait... that would effectively be the same, wouldn't it...
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Horace
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Apr 6 2010, 10:18 PM
Jodi, here's the thread on FS discussing some recent moves.

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The ironies are interesting. People aren't quite what they think they are. There is truth in the old "protest too much" thing.

Anyway.

My years here have solidified a certain theory of human behavior. Those who answer to no one tend to be blow-hards online. Those who spend 40 hours per week working with others and cooperating with others, needing (and learning) to subjugate their own egos as a matter of course, tend to not be blow-hards.

Cross-reference this theory for yourselves. It's fascinating and pretty damned predictive.

As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Good theory. I know that I certainly have to answer to MS. :)
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I wish those who left would come back.

Some people have said rather mean things in the "RCC / child abuse" threads, but I think the worst "offenders" in these threads have realized that some of their posts were over the top.
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Copper? I think he left too.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Larry
Apr 6 2010, 06:20 PM
That said, if she pops her ignorant head in over there, she'd better be careful. I don't suffer fools.

Sure you do, they just have to be the right kind of fool.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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Larry
Apr 6 2010, 06:19 PM
Kathy was never banned. She was just too stupid to operate the system. She's made that claim before, it has been proven to be a lie before.

The woman is an idiot.

You are the biggest liar in the world. You may have unbanned me - I never went back to find out - but you most certainly did ban me and you know it.
Edited by kathyk, Apr 7 2010, 05:00 AM.
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Apr 7 2010, 12:56 AM
kenny
Apr 6 2010, 10:18 PM
Jodi, here's the thread on FS discussing some recent moves.

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The ironies are interesting. People aren't quite what they think they are. There is truth in the old "protest too much" thing.

Anyway.

My years here have solidified a certain theory of human behavior. Those who answer to no one tend to be blow-hards online. Those who spend 40 hours per week working with others and cooperating with others, needing (and learning) to subjugate their own egos as a matter of course, tend to not be blow-hards.

Cross-reference this theory for yourselves. It's fascinating and pretty damned predictive.

I think a deeper look into this would show that the people who don't answer to others got into those positions because they had to. They must have control, etc.
People who are controlling must control others because they lack control of themselves.
They need to control because of their fears. Those fears make them conservative.
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CHAS
Apr 7 2010, 06:34 AM
Horace
Apr 7 2010, 12:56 AM
kenny
Apr 6 2010, 10:18 PM
Jodi, here's the thread on FS discussing some recent moves.

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The ironies are interesting. People aren't quite what they think they are. There is truth in the old "protest too much" thing.

Anyway.

My years here have solidified a certain theory of human behavior. Those who answer to no one tend to be blow-hards online. Those who spend 40 hours per week working with others and cooperating with others, needing (and learning) to subjugate their own egos as a matter of course, tend to not be blow-hards.

Cross-reference this theory for yourselves. It's fascinating and pretty damned predictive.

I think a deeper look into this would show that the people who don't answer to others got into those positions because they had to. They must have control, etc.
People who are controlling must control others because they lack control of themselves.
They need to control because of their fears. Those fears make them conservative.
CHAS, I have no control over anyone here, not even kenny and his melons :lol2: , and I'm a conservative. :wave:

OK, I admit to trying to get kenny's cheesecake recipe from him, without any success, so go ahead and hold that against me if you like. :hat:
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There's some truth to that - but it isn't the full story.

I think most people who are controlling of others are like that because they are, or have been, excessively controlled by others. They continue the scenario, and build up their own sense of personal worth, by having the ability to exercise that same improper influence over others.

More importanntly though, many people who don't want to be controlled by others simply don't like the constraints that come with that control. Their personalities are such that they are more comfortable in less systematic, and more amorphous, arrangements and processes. That has nothing to do with needing to control fears, or making them more conservative. Quite the opposite, actually; with structure and control comes predictability and security, and therefore, less to fear. Typically, the more fearful and conservative, the higher the affinity for structure and order. That isn't a bad trait, it's just a different trait from the one you've pointed out.
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They need to control because of their fears. Those fears make them conservative.
We often react because of our fears. Those fears color our world view and drive our behavior if we allow them to.


I think this is part of being human and is not limited to political viewpoint.

P.S . Brenda, if you get kenny's cheescake recipe, you know how to reach me....
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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I think a deeper look into this would show that the people who don't answer to others got into those positions because they had to. They must have control, etc.
People who are controlling must control others because they lack control of themselves.
They need to control because of their fears. Those fears make them conservative.


That's about the silliest piece of "logic" one could imagine, but I suppose those who are more comfortable being a cubicle rat have to justify their lack of drive somehow..
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Larry
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Typically, the more fearful and conservative, the higher the affinity for structure and order. That isn't a bad trait, it's just a different trait from the one you've pointed out.


Strange, I don't equate being fearful with being conservative - I equate being fearful with being liberal. It takes guts to dig your own path, fear of taking charge of your own fate is what causes people to prefer to let someone else take the risks. Just look at the basic outlook between the two - conservatives don't want someone else taking care of them, liberals spend all their time making sure they have their "safety nets" and their hand in everyone elses pockets.

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Larry
Apr 7 2010, 07:23 AM
Just look at the basic outlook between the two - conservatives don't want someone else taking care of them, liberals spend all their time making sure they have their "safety nets" and their hand in everyone elses pockets.

I disagree.

Liberals think in terms of "we are only as strong as our weakest link" whereas conservatives think in terms of "every man for himself."






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Horace
Apr 7 2010, 12:56 AM
kenny
Apr 6 2010, 10:18 PM
Jodi, here's the thread on FS discussing some recent moves.

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The ironies are interesting. People aren't quite what they think they are. There is truth in the old "protest too much" thing.

That's the phrase that popped into my head after reading bits of that link. I wish I hadn't.


Anyways, what musicasacra says.
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Larry
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Big John
Apr 7 2010, 07:40 AM
Larry
Apr 7 2010, 07:23 AM
Just look at the basic outlook between the two - conservatives don't want someone else taking care of them, liberals spend all their time making sure they have their "safety nets" and their hand in everyone elses pockets.

I disagree.

Liberals think in terms of "we are only as strong as our weakest link" whereas conservatives think in terms of "every man for himself."

And that's typical thinking from those who suffer the brain damage that is modern liberalism.

Your pie in the sky utopian bull **** doesn't strenthen the weak link, it weakens the strong ones. You create more slaves than you free.

As for your "every man for himself" comment - it never ceases to amaze me at how simple minded liberalism must be. You want to see "every man for himself"? Look in the ghettos where all those men who for generations now have had their place in the family replaced by your short sighted goody two shoes "let's help the poor" crap.

You don't provide these people with a "safety net" - you rob the men of their pride and dignity, you turn their wives and children into beggars, and you punish anyone who tries to help them get out of the cycle of slavery your simple minded ideology has them in.

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Apr 7 2010, 08:06 AM


And that's typical thinking from those who suffer the brain damage that is modern liberalism.

Your pie in the sky utopian bull **** doesn't strenthen the weak link, it weakens the strong ones. You create more slaves than you free.

As for your "every man for himself" comment - it never ceases to amaze me at how simple minded liberalism must be. You want to see "every man for himself"? Look in the ghettos where all those men who for generations now have had their place in the family replaced by your short sighted goody two shoes "let's help the poor" crap.

You don't provide these people with a "safety net" - you rob the men of their pride and dignity, you turn their wives and children into beggars, and you punish anyone who tries to help them get out of the cycle of slavery your simple minded ideology has them in.

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I think you've been reading too many Charles Dickens novels.

Your views may have been relevant 100 years ago, but you've got everything all backwards now.





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Apr 7 2010, 08:06 AM


And that's typical thinking from those who suffer the brain damage that is modern liberalism.

Your pie in the sky utopian bull **** doesn't strenthen the weak link, it weakens the strong ones. You create more slaves than you free.

As for your "every man for himself" comment - it never ceases to amaze me at how simple minded liberalism must be. You want to see "every man for himself"? Look in the ghettos where all those men who for generations now have had their place in the family replaced by your short sighted goody two shoes "let's help the poor" crap.

You don't provide these people with a "safety net" - you rob the men of their pride and dignity, you turn their wives and children into beggars, and you punish anyone who tries to help them get out of the cycle of slavery your simple minded ideology has them in.



I think you've been reading too many Charles Dickens novels.

Your views may have been relevant 100 years ago, but you've got everything all backwards now.





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OK, then. It's the new millenium. Let's follow this one out.

Obviously the social welfare system we have put in place is not working. What are we going to provide these poor folks such that they will become motivated to raise their standard of living and become productive, self-sufficient citizens?
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I think you've been reading too many Charles Dickens novels.

Your views may have been relevant 100 years ago, but you've got everything all backwards now.


Have I? The percentage of the population that is below the poverty line is greater now than it was when you fools started inflicting your bull sh!t views on the nation. Your experiment in social engineering is an utter failure. It is YOU that has it backwards, not me.

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Apr 7 2010, 06:34 AM
I think a deeper look into this would show that the people who don't answer to others got into those positions because they had to. They must have control, etc.
People who are controlling must control others because they lack control of themselves.
They need to control because of their fears. Those fears make them conservative.
Big problem with that Chas, is that conservatives tend toward self determination and lower levels of authority. Leftists area all about centralized control of others.

The Left tries to control others because their fear of things -- e.g. global warming, health care -- makes them all hysterical about their lack of control so they manufacture crises -- e.g. global warming, health care -- to politically manipulate the masses to centralize power in the name of solving the crisis -- e.g. global warming, health care. They usually do this under some guise of utilitarianism, trying to maximize the greatest happiness for the greatest number, not caring that most people are perfectly adequate at defining their own happiness and controlling their own lives.

Other than the fact that your theory makes no sense, it is interesting. :)
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Strange, I don't equate being fearful with being conservative


In a general sense, neither do I. I was using two terms to describe two different things. If a person is fearful *and* conservative, they are more likely to want structure and order, which creates predictable outcomes. When these two traits are combined in a person, there's very little desire to try to break out of the norms and try to to anything new, innovative, or bold.

But that doesn't mean there aren't fear*less* conservatives, who act very differently from fear*ful* conservatives - just as there's a big difference between fear*less* liberals and fear*ful* liberals.
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