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The Face of Jesus
Topic Started: Apr 5 2010, 06:31 AM (508 Views)
Quagmire
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Anyone watch this program on the History Channel yesterday?

They had computer graphics specialists reconstruct a CG model of Jesus' face based on the image/data on the Shroud of Turin. It was very cool. Especially since much of it was in my realm of expertise, like when they used a Fast Fourier Transform to remove the artifacts at the frequency of the cloth weave, leaving just the impression. Woot!

Anyway, lots of interesting stuff, technologically. And the image they produced was actually quite different from the reconstruction image posted in the 'how did Jesus look like' thread. Then they used a prototyper to create a physical model of the cg head. And then used the model to recreate a 2d image to check if it matched the shroud. (and it did).

Much of the program dealt with all the issues of the shroud authenticity, and testing and such. I've always found that a fascinating subject. And heard some new stuff this time around.

Then I started watching some of the Franco Zefferelli film "Jesus of Nazareth", but turned it off. I thought the characterization of Jesus was abysmal. Just not someone you wanted to get to know at all. Too bad, cuz the all star cast made me want to see their work, but just got bored.
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I saw that on History Channel yesterday. Fascinating stuff.
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I would love to see graphic comparisons with the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium at Oviedo.
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So what's the latest?
Have they determined with certainty that it is the shroud Jesus was in?
Have they proven it is not?

Is the jury still out, with experts disagreeing?
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I missed it, but I guess it's going to be on again on April 10th - I'll have to record it.
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Apr 5 2010, 01:24 PM
So what's the latest?
Have they determined with certainty that it is the shroud Jesus was in?
Have they proven it is not?

Is the jury still out, with experts disagreeing?
No proof either way. And the word is that it CANT be proven either way. (I was elsewise distracted thru much of the program. I have it recorded to watch again more closely).

They did however show evidence for it being older than what carbon dating previously indicated (and why the carbon dating test may have been invalid).

Also, they spoke of pollen spores found in the cloth that are from a specific thorning plant very localized to Israel and that time period. I really liked that.

Also, in discussion of its mysteries, I was delighted to hear the mention of 'other dimensions' as a possible explanation for some missing data. Other dimensions are supported by string theory, I'm a fan of string theory. Not that I'm buying into anything here, just love to see the solution space fully explored.
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kenny
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That would be pretty amazing it it turns out to the authentic.

Who owns it?
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Apr 5 2010, 06:45 AM
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ivorythumper
Apr 5 2010, 12:38 PM
I would love to see graphic comparisons with the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium at Oviedo.
They did that on this program and they matched up pretty well.

It was used to show that the shroud had to date from before the 13th century where carbon dating placed it.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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They also showed several engravings contemporaneous with the carbon date where people were handling the shroud by the corner where the sample was taken. They said you could not possibly find a worse place on the shroud to take a sample.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Quagmire
Apr 5 2010, 01:56 PM
Also, in discussion of its mysteries, I was delighted to hear the mention of 'other dimensions' as a possible explanation for some missing data. Other dimensions are supported by string theory, I'm a fan of string theory. Not that I'm buying into anything here, just love to see the solution space fully explored.
I was intrigued by that as well. It was clear from their analysis that the image could not be explained as a point source (laser e.g.) or radiant light phenomenon but had to be as though Jesus was placed under a scanner (hence their reverse reproduction experiment). Clearly, there was something at work here that transcends our conceptualization of reality which projects 3 dimensions onto 2 dimensional sensory inputs.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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"I don't want to talk about Jesus.
Just wanta see his face
Just wanta see his face
Just wanta see his face"- The Rolling Stones

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I'd like to see it too, but I have to say, after a brief experience with the History Channel while visiting my Dad last week, I'm wondering about the quality of their "history." We don't have cable at home, so it's a whole new world surfing channels when I'm traveling. One evening while at my Dad's, he wasn't too interested in the TV or much else, so I started surfing and hit upon a show on - you got it - the History Channel called Apocalypse Island. It was a "documentary about a "scientist" on a quest to penetrate the meaning of ancient Mayan texts (yep, you got it again - 2012 :eek: ). There was supposedly reference to an island in the middle of the Pacific where the Mayans had erected statues to witness the end of time. This guy set out to find it and them. Oh, my, the drama! I have to admit, I was a little taken in by it, and its very "scientific" nature, until I read these comments on a blog about it:

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March 29th, 2010 at 11:02 pm

Someone invested a lot of money in this farce, especially for getting the cameraman and production of a two hour show.. why didn’t history channel refute this guy’s claims that there were actual carvings on the statues, as was claimed early in the show.

The mountain climber buddy asked early in the show “how do you know that…..” and the answer always came back “because the carvings etchings in the statue are exactly like the ones found in mayan archaeology.”

I can’t believe that none of the scientific community has not come out with refutation of this — the guy was lying at worse and delusional at best. The worst of it is thatthe history channel diverted attention by packing the show with statements of scholars about the Mayan culture that, most of the time, had little to do with the fairy tale of the apocalypse island.

I think the history channel now ought to do an scientific/historical analysis of the tabloids that produce stories like “Laura and George Bush’s marriage is on the rocks”, or “Obama’s gay lover has gotten revenge,” Their production of this armageddon island should be included in the list of lies that are stoked up to increase tabloid sales and history channel viewership.
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March 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

I didn’t catch the name of the island if it was mentioned but several reports have stated it is one of the Juan Fernandez Islands, comprised of three main islands: Robinson Crusoe, Alejandro Selkirk, and the islet of Santa Clara. Although reports have it’s location “in the middle ofthe Pacific Ocean” it is actually about 400 miles off Chile’s western coast, hardly in the middle of the Pacific if one were to look at a map. As to why they chose to take a small fishing vessel for the two day trip versus several hours for a helicopter, that’s a mystery as well. Perhaps to fill the time slot is my only conclusion. Much more intrigue to face possible drowning at sea rather than a more uneventful air-flight. Not to mention the hazards of disembarking from a row boat in slightly choppy waters on a sandy beach. The hazards were as hyped as the potential for great discovery. Lost count of how many times the “transit of Venus across the sun” was mentioned in addition to “the solar eclipse” and how all were to align and signal the lost gods and kings their time to rise had come. To much mysticism and a great lack of actual science.
All in all a waste of time and money. I’ll not watch when/if he goes back.


So, I'm wondering if the History Channel might be better titled Histrionics Channel.
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I agree. Seems they're always showing documentaries on ufos, alien abduction, Bigfoot, Nostradamus. But the discerning viewer should always keep a critical skeptical eye, regardless if the source is history channel, discovery channel, or science journals. Bull**** can hide anywhere.
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KathyK-So, I'm wondering if the History Channel might be better titled Histrionics Channel.

Good name for it.

People will believe what they want to believe.
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There is a lot of crap on History Channel. Monster Quest, Nostradamus this and that, Apocalypse this and that, UFOs, etc., etc. but there are some very good things like The Universe, How the Earth Was Made, Modern Marvels, Gangland and even Pawn Stars and Pickers. I could go on. I wouldn't write something off just because it appears on the History Channel just like I would not believe something just because it was on the History Channel. One must separate the wheat from the chaff.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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I thought Pawn Stars would be awful, but I have really enjoyed that show when I've caught it.
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