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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 19 2010, 10:03 AM (944 Views) | |
| George K | Mar 19 2010, 10:03 AM Post #1 |
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Finally
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Most transparent EVAH: Exactly what I was saying.
In other words, "We'd be happy to talk about this with you and...Oh! Look! A pony!" |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Kincaid | Mar 19 2010, 10:12 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Interesting. Just the other day some leftwing pundit was saying on the radio that if the Dems could just break this whole thing down into parts and move away from the "comprehensiveness" of it all, they'd be able to persaude the American people to support it. I think the Dems have gone about this all wrong (and perhaps they have to, as going about it right means its certain death). Rather than trying to armtwist members of the house, they should be convincing the American people to support the plan. If support was up, none of these Dems would feel the need to run for cover or hide their vote or just vote no. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Larry | Mar 19 2010, 11:15 AM Post #3 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Let me get this straight...... we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also is exempt from it and hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke. What the hell could possibly go wrong? |
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 19 2010, 11:31 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Larry, See:
Surely you can conjure up a bright side for youself where, after Sunday's vote, the GOP will regain control of Congress in November, undo healthcare reform entirely, cut taxes, and get Sarah Palin elected President in 2012, right? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
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| Larry | Mar 19 2010, 11:43 AM Post #5 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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| George K | Mar 19 2010, 11:43 AM Post #6 |
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Finally
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Did you see the last paragraph?
Emphasis mine. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Mar 19 2010, 12:04 PM Post #7 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Oh, I've already got an even better bright side. I just moved my entire investment portfolio ($213.76) over to publicly traded insurance companies. Then I sent the details of this transaction and a copy of the bill to the CBo and asked for a 9 month projection. Their tally? One Hundred Gajillion Dollars! |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| George K | Mar 19 2010, 02:04 PM Post #8 |
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Democrats say it's a fake. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 19 2010, 02:46 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Just so you know, I will likely continue to advocate for single-payer universal healthcare system which will very likely have adverse effects on insurance companies' growth projections, profitabilities, and share holder values. Invest as you see fit. |
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| Axtremus | Mar 19 2010, 02:50 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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C'mon, George, the opening post spans one or two screens' worth of space spouting a hoax, at least make the proclamation that it's a hoax more prominently that just a one line tiny little post. Fair?
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| George K | Mar 19 2010, 02:54 PM Post #11 |
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Finally
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Faked, but accurate. That worked for you in 2004, didn't it? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Luke's Dad | Mar 19 2010, 02:55 PM Post #12 |
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Emperor Pengin
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I think I'm safe for the next two years. Obama will veto any attempts at repealing the bill from the Republican Held Congress. |
| The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it. | |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 19 2010, 07:51 PM Post #13 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Whether it is a fake or not, the Supreme Leader Obama is following that script very carefully. In the interview with Bret Baier, Obama made it clear that he doesn't care about procedure (which is incredibly scary) and assiduously avoided any details about what was in the bill while claiming that we all know what is in the bill. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Larry | Mar 19 2010, 08:09 PM Post #14 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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YEAH! Those damned insurance companies - how DARE they make a profit! Let's punish them by sending the entire f*cking country into bankruptcy. THAT'S thinking like a smart man, yes it is..... Geez.... modern liberalism IS a mental disease.. |
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| Axtremus | Mar 20 2010, 04:18 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It's my position that basic essential healthcare should be a not-for-profit business (don't confuse that with not paying the service providers a fair market wage; "profit" is what's left over after you pay the people who do the work and after you pay for all the necessary overhead). I have no problem with profit-making from non-essential, elective treatments. Same principle as getting basic security services from the police on a not-for-profit basis (and the police officers get paid a fair market wage; though some would argue that they, along with most public servants, get an out-sized retirement benefits package). If you want more, hire your own private body guards and I have no problem with body guards making profits, as much as the market can bear. Not everything in America has to make a profit. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 20 2010, 09:00 AM Post #16 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Then you should be a big supporter of Catholic hospitals. But you are confusing the issue between insurance and health care. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Larry | Mar 20 2010, 09:20 AM Post #17 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Your statement shows the sort of shallow thinking that is typical of liberals. "basic essential health care" is provided by men and women who spend years of hard work, huge sums of money learning for schooling, and then go into the business of providing you with your "basic health care". It is not "big evil corporation/big evil insurance/big evil pharma" who provide us with "basic essential health care", it is men like George, Bach, and tens of thousands like them who do that. Part of the reason they choose to put in the effort it takes to be able to do that is because they want to earn a good living from it. But you seem to be of the opinion that those who provide this "basic essential health care" should consider themselves martyrs for your utopian ideals. Sorry, but I think they deserve every dime they earn. |
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| Beacon Chris | Mar 20 2010, 09:32 AM Post #18 |
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Junior Carp
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Larry, I think the more essential principle behind for-profit business is that it creates efficiency. The profitability demanded by shareholders ensures accountability from the bottom to the top of a corporation. The problem we have in the United States is a shortage of competition created by government mandates and intervention in the free market. New York is a great example. By the time I pay my premiums and copays, my heath care runs about $2,000 per month. I only have three or four insurance companies to choose from. In a state like Texas, for example, where government is less intrusive I could have the same policy for about $800 and far greater choice. |
| How you durrin? | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 20 2010, 09:40 AM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Not at all. I do mean "healthcare" when I write "healthcare," and I do mean "healthcare insurance" when I write "healthcare insurance." I am for non-profit hospitals, I apprecite the non-profit aspects of Catholic hospitals, but think they are fundamentally misguided by not providing artificial contraceptive and abortion services. |
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| Beacon Chris | Mar 20 2010, 09:44 AM Post #20 |
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Junior Carp
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Hey, I wonder if the new "TSA" is operating with less or more expense than the previous private contractors who handled airport security.... http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/04/11/airport-security.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/29/AR2005062903063.html http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/the-high-cost-of-airport-security.aspx I'm not saying I have the answer, but it looks like we have ever more anecdotal evidence of needless government waste. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 20 2010, 09:50 AM Post #21 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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So you have no problem with healthcare insurance companies making a profit? Or should companies be made to assume risk without the reward of true profit? If so, would that be limited to healthcare insurance, or should auto, home, life and professional liability insurance companies also have to assume risk without the reward of true profit? |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Horace | Mar 20 2010, 09:50 AM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Sure, you just have to start to consider exactly what process they're trying to make efficient. Free markets work best for non-essential goods that people can take or leave, and if they take them, they pay for them 100% out of their own pocket. Health care/insurance breaks that model in about 5 different places, it's a different animal. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 20 2010, 09:52 AM Post #23 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 20 2010, 09:53 AM Post #24 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Food and housing are much more essential than health care. How does that map on to your thinking about non essential vs essential goods? |
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| Horace | Mar 20 2010, 09:54 AM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The difference as I see it betweeen auto and health insurance is that health is a "priceless" concept in our view, irreplaceable and non-monetizable. So we've monetized the price of health via insurance by simply taking a huge number, the worst-case scenario cost of individual health care, and averaging it out over the entire population. Problem being, the celing there does not exist on the "worst case scenario". There is always a ceiling for home or auto insurance - the cost of replacement. |
| As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good? | |
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