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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2010, 02:15 AM Post #151 |
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Cheers
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IT - you could learn a lot from Apple's moral clarity on this subject. |
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| Phlebas | Mar 15 2010, 02:32 AM Post #152 |
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Bull-Carp
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 02:52 AM Post #153 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Well, at least they are talking.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2010, 03:18 AM Post #154 |
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Cheers
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 15 2010, 04:15 AM Post #155 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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There you go, projecting again. Everything with you seems to turn into an accusation of homosexual behavior. You really should see a psychiatrist about that. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 04:39 AM Post #156 |
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Facts not in evidence, counselor. He implied beastiality, not homosexuality, and did not specify the gender of the hamster. Discuss. |
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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2010, 04:47 AM Post #157 |
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Cheers
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I think gender goes without saying, Mik. After all, no gentleman would put a female hamster up his ass, it would be bad form to say the least. |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 04:53 AM Post #158 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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You hand me an ebarrassment of riches in opportunity. All hilarious, all of which I will forego in the interests of peace.
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| Renauda | Mar 15 2010, 05:07 AM Post #159 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Now that's a cheap shot.
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| Phlebas | Mar 15 2010, 05:30 AM Post #160 |
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Bull-Carp
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Here's the AP story. I find this vatican letter - quote below - pretty disturbing. I'm sure there will be a host of socratic machinations to defend that, as well.
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2010, 05:34 AM Post #161 |
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Cheers
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I'm sure we'll hear from Apologista Socratus that this was all about protecting victims, and had nothing to do with damage control for the institution. |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 05:47 AM Post #162 |
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In this case what you have is others' interpretation of what the letter represents. Certainly, like the church, all these others have their own agendas. Without seeing he letter in question it is difficult to say. |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 05:53 AM Post #163 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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You also might want to not cherry pick what you quote. There is more on this letter.
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| Dewey | Mar 15 2010, 06:04 AM Post #164 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 15 2010, 06:16 AM Post #165 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Fair point. If you want to say that the evidence suggests that IT is into bestiality, who am I to object? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 15 2010, 06:19 AM Post #166 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| jon-nyc | Mar 15 2010, 06:20 AM Post #167 |
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Cheers
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Except, of course, following the example set by the author. |
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| Quagmire | Mar 15 2010, 06:38 AM Post #168 |
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Senior Carp
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Santa Croce? Isnt that just Jim's dad? |
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| CHAS | Mar 15 2010, 07:13 AM Post #169 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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The Roman Catholic church has spent millions opposing homosexual rights, including gay marriage. In California the RC church was canny enough to invite the Mormons to help fight gay rights. |
| "You want to be Nice, or you want to be Effective? Make the law or be subject to it?"-Roy Cohn | |
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| Axtremus | Mar 15 2010, 08:00 AM Post #170 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hey, JoeB, does the seal of confession trumps this "general principle" or not? ![]() Mik, what do you think? If, in a civil jurisdiction where local laws stipulate that all child molestation incidents must be reported to the civil authorities, a Catholic priest hears some one confessing to having sexually molested a minor, do you think said priest should alert the civil authorities? |
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| Renauda | Mar 15 2010, 08:01 AM Post #171 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Not true Chas. As IT has repeatedly stated it's the disordered appetite of fornication in which unchaste homosexuals indulge that the Church opposes and seeks to cure. Catholics- Fornication today, and Homosexuality |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 08:03 AM Post #172 |
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I believe the inviolability of the confessional has been upheld in court. Outside that context I suspect they would have an obligation to do so, yes. |
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| Axtremus | Mar 15 2010, 08:05 AM Post #173 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I was not asking about what you understand to be the court(s)' opinion. I am asking for your opinion: If, in a civil jurisdiction where local laws stipulate that all child molestation incidents must be reported to the civil authorities, a Catholic priest hears some one confessing to having sexually molested a minor, do you think said priest should alert the civil authorities? |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 15 2010, 08:15 AM Post #174 |
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No, I do not. Frankly I don't see any evidence that civil authorities have been any more successful than the church in dealing with those who molest children. They get sent a way for a little bit and come out in many cases to offend again. Estimates of recidivism range from 10% to 45%. So the next question becomes what greater social good is accomplished by throwing out 2,000 (or however many since the sacrament of confession came into existence) years of precedent, especially if the state is no more effective than the church? The only reason I can see is societal revenge. |
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| Axtremus | Mar 15 2010, 08:18 AM Post #175 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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OK, I appreciate your answer and I appreciate your reasoning to back up that answer. Thanks. |
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