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Should the Census ask about sexual orientation?
Yes 2 (7.4%)
No 25 (92.6%)
Other (any thoughts would be appreciated) 0 (0%)
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Should the Census ask about sexual orientation?
Topic Started: Mar 9 2010, 05:38 PM (1,384 Views)
Bernard
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There is no question on the census that asks individuals if they are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

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Axtremus
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No.
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Bernard
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Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?
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Copper
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Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM
Axtremus
Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?

Since sexual orientation has become a religion it would be better if the feds maintained separation.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Bernard
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Mar 9 2010, 05:46 PM
Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM
Axtremus
Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?

Since sexual orientation has become a religion it would be better if the feds maintained separation.
Sexual orientation is not a religion. It's a fact of life.
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Luke's Dad
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Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM
Axtremus
Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?
On what? Beyond the tax and legal benefits of marriage for straights that gays are currently excluded from (and I'm willing to end that exclusion), what spending should there be? What spending is done for straights that isn't done for gays?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Bernard
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Mar 9 2010, 05:57 PM
Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM
Axtremus
Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?
On what? Beyond the tax and legal benefits of marriage for straights that gays are currently excluded from (and I'm willing to end that exclusion), what spending should there be? What spending is done for straights that isn't done for gays?
I don't know, that's why I was asking Ax the question.
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Luke's Dad
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Someday, I'd even like to see race taken out of the census.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:53 PM

Sexual orientation is not a religion. It's a fact of life.

Sure, but for so many it has become a religion.

Instead of simply dealing with it they feel like they have to shout from the rooftops with a constant barrage of political forays.

It has become a crusade for many. I don't think the end, if there is one, is even identifiable in any real way. The shouting has just become a way of life.


The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Bernard
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Mar 9 2010, 06:01 PM
Someday, I'd even like to see race taken out of the census.
Well that was my next question... I didn't know it asked about race. I don't ever recall filling in a census form. Hm.
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Bernard
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Mar 9 2010, 06:02 PM
Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:53 PM

Sexual orientation is not a religion. It's a fact of life.

Sure, but for so many it has become a religion.

Instead of simply dealing with it they feel like they have to shout from the rooftops with a constant barrage of political forays.

It has become a crusade for many. I don't think the end, if there is one, is even identifiable in any real way. The shouting has just become a way of life.


For some, of course. That's true in any large group of people (conservatives included).

But for many of us, the fight for full and equal rights under the law (the civil law that is) is fought religiously.

Pardon me if I don't feel like dealing with second class citizenship for myself and countless others.

It is a crusade... to obtain full and equal protection under the law.
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Luke's Dad
Mar 9 2010, 06:01 PM
Someday, I'd even like to see race taken out of the census.
This very day I'd like to see all questions regarding race, social class, employment, etc. removed.
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Not sure if they should or not, and what "priorities," or "spending" would be affected.
If they did, I wonder how much the GLB... community would like the results of that part of the census.
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Big John
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What would be left? our name, address and phone number? :D





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Mikhailoh
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They don't need your name or phone number.
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Quagmire
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I have no problem with any of these things being asked. Why not? I'm no pro-census guy or anything, but what are the census numbers for? Any answer I can think of seems like race, orientation, religion, age, etc would be relevant.

Isnt it just taking tallies? Isnt it important to know what percentage of our community is of a particular quality? Its relevant to the social sciences. When considering any gay political or social issue, isnt it relevant for both sides to understand the community its considering? This includes how many there are.

I really dont see what the aversion to this data could be. What evil or govt plot could this data enable? I believe its given anonymously, isnt it? If its not anonymous, then I can the privacy issue. But otherwise, whats the threat?

That being said, I think sexual orientation can be a difficult one to answer for many, with all the grey areas, and appearances and all. So it might not be very accurate data.
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Mar 9 2010, 06:29 PM

I really dont see what the aversion to this data could be. What evil or govt plot could this data enable?

A lot of people think it's none of the government's business what group you belong to.

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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Axtremus
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Bernard
Mar 9 2010, 05:41 PM
Axtremus
Mar 9 2010, 05:40 PM
No.
Wouldn't the information be useful in setting priorities, spending and otherwise?
I don't see the need to treat groups of people differently based on sexual orientation. I don't think sexual orientation should be a factor at all in our society's legal constructs. Hence the answer.

If you ask me "should the census ask about race or cultural heritage," I'd give the same answer, and for the same reason.
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CHAS
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The question would only be answered affirmative by those homosexuals that are "out".

It would be best if the huge number of single and married men and women that have sex with people of the same sex regularly that are in the closet and in denial could be counted. They would have to stop lying for that to happen however.

The number would have to include all homosexuals or it will be used to minimize them.

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kenny
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IMHO, most would not admit it to the govnmt.
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Mark
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There should be one question on the census.

How many people live at this address?
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Quagmire
Mar 9 2010, 06:29 PM
When considering any gay political or social issue, isnt it relevant for both sides to understand the community its considering?
That is taken care of in the privacy of the voting booth.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Mikhailoh
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Mar 9 2010, 11:37 PM
Quagmire
Mar 9 2010, 06:29 PM
When considering any gay political or social issue, isnt it relevant for both sides to understand the community its considering?
That is taken care of in the privacy of the voting booth.
Indeed. The only thing you can do with data that separates people is treat them separately.
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Mikhailoh
Mar 10 2010, 03:35 AM
ivorythumper
Mar 9 2010, 11:37 PM
Quagmire
Mar 9 2010, 06:29 PM
When considering any gay political or social issue, isnt it relevant for both sides to understand the community its considering?
That is taken care of in the privacy of the voting booth.
Indeed. The only thing you can do with data that separates people is treat them separately.
I disagree. Until you do away with representative government, representatives will make decisions, on issues big and small, that affect their constituents. It helps if they know who they are representing.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Mikhailoh
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I can't imagine how you would get elected in the first place if you don't know who lives in your district.
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