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| Just spent 11 hours at the library; doing mostly statistics - by hand -- | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 7 2010, 07:54 PM (429 Views) | |
| Big John | Mar 7 2010, 07:54 PM Post #1 |
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GAHH!!! Good night! |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 7 2010, 08:12 PM Post #2 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Is that what they are calling it these days... |
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| RosemaryTwo | Mar 7 2010, 09:12 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Don't sit in the back row of class. I made that mistake in stats. Had to pay for a tutor to reteach me everything. Pretty interesting stuff, too. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Big John | Mar 7 2010, 09:15 PM Post #4 |
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I sit in front (as I do in all my classes) and participate fully. I have one of the highest grades in the class. It's one of those classes that a lot of people fail the first time around. Tomorrow I have a math exam in the afternoon so I've already set my alarm and back to the libary in the a.m. to solidify all that stuff. |
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| RosemaryTwo | Mar 7 2010, 09:19 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Okay, good. I was 19 years old and probably just relieved to have made it to class. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| sue | Mar 7 2010, 10:29 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I could tell you stories........ All sorts of folk come into libraries. Oh wait, that sounds so wrong. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 7 2010, 10:46 PM Post #7 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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| big al | Mar 8 2010, 06:02 AM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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If you have to calculate statistics very often, either look for a stat pak for your computer or buy a statistics calculator. Doing it by hand these days is a recipe for madness (or at least errors). Big Al |
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Location: Western PA "jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen." -bachophile | |
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| Red Rice | Mar 8 2010, 06:51 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Moi aussi... One of the research libraries at my alma mater was notorious for being a place where one could find love among the |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Qaanaaq-Liaaq | Mar 8 2010, 08:03 AM Post #10 |
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Been there. With probability and statistics courses, you have to memorize the formulas and know them forwards and backwards. When it reaches the point where you’re sick of doing them, that’s a good sign. That's when you'll most likely receive a high grade on an exam. Sometimes, professors will put a twist on some of the exam problems. It'll be something that you didn’t study for, something not in any of the homework problems, and then you’re dumped into the river. Know the formulas backwards and forwards and do plenty of problems. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Mar 8 2010, 09:08 AM Post #11 |
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I'd say that that's true in application, but when you're learning the material, the more you rely on machines to do your work for you, the more shallow your understanding becomes. |
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| Red Rice | Mar 8 2010, 12:38 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It would be nice if every American had a basic understanding of statistics. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Mar 8 2010, 12:58 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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It would be nice if I remembered more from college. |
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| Big John | Mar 8 2010, 01:09 PM Post #14 |
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Big Al: I have a statistical calculator. I have the TI 83 Plus, I have SPSS and the whole Office suite. But the teacher won't let us use anything. We have to use the forumulas and have to show all of our work. It's ridiculous in 2010. No other class does it all by hand I found out. |
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| Qaanaaq-Liaaq | Mar 8 2010, 01:14 PM Post #15 |
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Aside: An interesting book: “How to Lie With Statistics” by Darrell Huff. |
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| Big John | Mar 8 2010, 01:21 PM Post #16 |
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I found out today that there are three math classes that are prerequisites for this course. I am in the first one. Someone didn't tell me I have to take them all before enrolling. Ironically, I have a "B" in prerequisite #1 but a low "A" in statistics. LOL. |
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| musicasacra | Mar 8 2010, 01:48 PM Post #17 |
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That's standard in my experience. Most of my MBA classes required stats by hand, especially the core classes. We understood what we were doing and could explain the calculations and analysis to others. We used Excel, SPSS, etc., more in upper level courses like Operations Management and Marketing Research. |
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| Quagmire | Mar 8 2010, 02:02 PM Post #18 |
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I hated statistics, and I sit in the back row of every class. When taking the required stats class, I wanted to open a vein I was so bored. I used to cut most of my classes all the time cuz I can never pay attention anyway, and I'm good at math, so I can just learn stats from the text book anyway. So, I attended the first session of stats, and saw that she didnt take attendance. Huzzah! That means I can cut class often with no consequences. I REALLY lost touch with that class, even missed pop quizzes and such. Anyway, one day during that quarter, I got a hefty bill from the Bursar, even tho my account was paid up. After much bureaucratic hassle of getting to the bottom of the issue (nothings easy at an OSU admin office), I learned that the stats prof did indeed start taking attendance during my absences. Figured I had disappeared from her class, as I never answered roll call. She dropped me from the class to make room for a wait listed person. This reduced my hours to below full time, which in turn revoked my financial aid, putting me in arears on my bursar bill. Ugh! Oddly, I was able to get it all straightened out, and reinstated my enrollment in the class AND my financial aid. whew! I hate statistics. |
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| musicasacra | Mar 8 2010, 02:09 PM Post #19 |
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My undergrad stats classes were dreary, not very good profs. Also, you're quite young then, perhaps there's not much ability to apply what you're learning to work and other classes. My graduate level stats classes were fantastic. |
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| ivorythumper | Mar 8 2010, 05:46 PM Post #20 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Not even "Masturbation: Theory and Practice"? |
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| brenda | Mar 8 2010, 06:18 PM Post #21 |
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You took that class? |
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“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.” ~A.A. Milne | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 8 2010, 06:26 PM Post #22 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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It's mandatory. I'm sure you remember.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| brenda | Mar 8 2010, 06:38 PM Post #23 |
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You took it, too? Not mandatory in Minnesooooota. Bet you're glad you didn't go to college here. |
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“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.” ~A.A. Milne | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 8 2010, 06:41 PM Post #24 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Well, if it wasn't mandatory I suspect I would have liked college there. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Quagmire | Mar 8 2010, 06:57 PM Post #25 |
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Maybe not mandatory, but definitely a man-date. |
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