Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The New Coffee Room. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
Just spent 11 hours at the library; doing mostly statistics - by hand --
Topic Started: Mar 7 2010, 07:54 PM (429 Views)
Big John
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
GAHH!!!

Good night!





Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ivorythumper
Member Avatar
I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Is that what they are calling it these days...
The dogma lives loudly within me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
RosemaryTwo
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
Don't sit in the back row of class. I made that mistake in stats. Had to pay for a tutor to reteach me everything. Pretty interesting stuff, too.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Big John
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
I sit in front (as I do in all my classes) and participate fully. I have one of the highest grades in the class. It's one of those classes that a lot of people fail the first time around. Tomorrow I have a math exam in the afternoon so I've already set my alarm and back to the libary in the a.m. to solidify all that stuff.





Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
RosemaryTwo
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
Okay, good. I was 19 years old and probably just relieved to have made it to class.
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
sue
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
ivorythumper
Mar 7 2010, 08:12 PM
Is that what they are calling it these days...
I could tell you stories........

All sorts of folk come into libraries. Oh wait, that sounds so wrong.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ivorythumper
Member Avatar
I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
sue
Mar 7 2010, 10:29 PM
ivorythumper
Mar 7 2010, 08:12 PM
Is that what they are calling it these days...
I could tell you stories........

All sorts of folk come into libraries. Oh wait, that sounds so wrong.
:lol2:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
big al
Member Avatar
Bull-Carp
If you have to calculate statistics very often, either look for a stat pak for your computer or buy a statistics calculator. Doing it by hand these days is a recipe for madness (or at least errors).

Big Al
Location: Western PA

"jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen."
-bachophile
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Red Rice
HOLY CARP!!!
sue
Mar 7 2010, 10:29 PM
I could tell you stories........

Moi aussi...

One of the research libraries at my alma mater was notorious for being a place where one could find love among the haybookstacks.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Qaanaaq-Liaaq
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
Been there. With probability and statistics courses, you have to memorize the formulas and know them forwards and backwards. When it reaches the point where you’re sick of doing them, that’s a good sign. That's when you'll most likely receive a high grade on an exam. Sometimes, professors will put a twist on some of the exam problems. It'll be something that you didn’t study for, something not in any of the homework problems, and then you’re dumped into the river. Know the formulas backwards and forwards and do plenty of problems.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Aqua Letifer
Member Avatar
ZOOOOOM!
big al
Mar 8 2010, 06:02 AM
If you have to calculate statistics very often, either look for a stat pak for your computer or buy a statistics calculator. Doing it by hand these days is a recipe for madness (or at least errors).

Big Al
I'd say that that's true in application, but when you're learning the material, the more you rely on machines to do your work for you, the more shallow your understanding becomes.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Red Rice
HOLY CARP!!!
It would be nice if every American had a basic understanding of statistics.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
RosemaryTwo
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
It would be nice if I remembered more from college.
:whome:
"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Big John
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
big al
Mar 8 2010, 06:02 AM
If you have to calculate statistics very often, either look for a stat pak for your computer or buy a statistics calculator. Doing it by hand these days is a recipe for madness (or at least errors).

Big Al
Big Al:

I have a statistical calculator. I have the TI 83 Plus, I have SPSS and the whole Office suite.

But the teacher won't let us use anything. We have to use the forumulas and have to show all of our work. It's ridiculous in 2010. No other class does it all by hand I found out.





Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Qaanaaq-Liaaq
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
Aside: An interesting book: “How to Lie With Statistics” by Darrell Huff.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Big John
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
I found out today that there are three math classes that are prerequisites for this course. I am in the first one. Someone didn't tell me I have to take them all before enrolling.

Ironically, I have a "B" in prerequisite #1 but a low "A" in statistics. LOL.





Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
musicasacra
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
Big John
Mar 8 2010, 01:09 PM
big al
Mar 8 2010, 06:02 AM
If you have to calculate statistics very often, either look for a stat pak for your computer or buy a statistics calculator. Doing it by hand these days is a recipe for madness (or at least errors).

Big Al
Big Al:

I have a statistical calculator. I have the TI 83 Plus, I have SPSS and the whole Office suite.

But the teacher won't let us use anything. We have to use the forumulas and have to show all of our work. It's ridiculous in 2010. No other class does it all by hand I found out.
That's standard in my experience. Most of my MBA classes required stats by hand, especially the core classes. We understood what we were doing and could explain the calculations and analysis to others. We used Excel, SPSS, etc., more in upper level courses like Operations Management and Marketing Research.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Quagmire
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
RosemaryTwo
Mar 7 2010, 09:12 PM
Don't sit in the back row of class. I made that mistake in stats. Had to pay for a tutor to reteach me everything. Pretty interesting stuff, too.
I hated statistics, and I sit in the back row of every class.

When taking the required stats class, I wanted to open a vein I was so bored. I used to cut most of my classes all the time cuz I can never pay attention anyway, and I'm good at math, so I can just learn stats from the text book anyway.

So, I attended the first session of stats, and saw that she didnt take attendance. Huzzah! That means I can cut class often with no consequences. I REALLY lost touch with that class, even missed pop quizzes and such.

Anyway, one day during that quarter, I got a hefty bill from the Bursar, even tho my account was paid up. After much bureaucratic hassle of getting to the bottom of the issue (nothings easy at an OSU admin office), I learned that the stats prof did indeed start taking attendance during my absences. Figured I had disappeared from her class, as I never answered roll call. She dropped me from the class to make room for a wait listed person. This reduced my hours to below full time, which in turn revoked my financial aid, putting me in arears on my bursar bill. Ugh!

Oddly, I was able to get it all straightened out, and reinstated my enrollment in the class AND my financial aid. whew!

I hate statistics.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
musicasacra
Member Avatar
HOLY CARP!!!
My undergrad stats classes were dreary, not very good profs. Also, you're quite young then, perhaps there's not much ability to apply what you're learning to work and other classes. My graduate level stats classes were fantastic.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ivorythumper
Member Avatar
I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Big John
Mar 8 2010, 01:09 PM
No other class does it all by hand I found out.
Not even "Masturbation: Theory and Practice"?

The dogma lives loudly within me.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
brenda
Member Avatar
..............
ivorythumper
Mar 8 2010, 05:46 PM
Big John
Mar 8 2010, 01:09 PM
No other class does it all by hand I found out.
Not even "Masturbation: Theory and Practice"?

You took that class?





:whome:



“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mikhailoh
Member Avatar
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
It's mandatory. I'm sure you remember. :yes:
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
brenda
Member Avatar
..............
Mikhailoh
Mar 8 2010, 06:26 PM
It's mandatory. I'm sure you remember. :yes:
You took it, too?

Not mandatory in Minnesooooota. Bet you're glad you didn't go to college here. :hat:

“Weeds are flowers, too, once you get to know them.”
~A.A. Milne
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Mikhailoh
Member Avatar
If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Well, if it wasn't mandatory I suspect I would have liked college there.
Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Quagmire
Member Avatar
Senior Carp
Maybe not mandatory, but definitely a man-date.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Create your own social network with a free forum.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · The New Coffee Room · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1