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Did Right-Wing Extremism Lead to the Pentagon Shooting?
Topic Started: Mar 7 2010, 07:02 AM (486 Views)
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0305/John-Patrick-Bedell-Did-right-wing-extremism-lead-to-shooting
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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This follows the peculiar pattern of thinking that anyone who hates the government must be a right-winger. This guy was a 9/11 "truther" and hated the military as well. That doesn't sound very right-wing to me. We don't yet know much about this guy but we know more about the guy who flew an airplane into the building in Austin (also identified in this article as a "right-winger") and everything suggests he was very left-wing. Hatred of the government is not the exclusive province of the right wing.
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Sure it did, to some degree or another. Extremism is involved in a whole lot of these events. Muslim, Christian, right wing, left wing, you name it. Right wing groups on the rise? That's not at all surprising, any more than the left-wing extremism was on the rise in the 60's.
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Yep, sure did. Let's see, he was a 9/11 truther. You know, more that 30% of Republicans believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy.

Oh, wait that was Democrats.

Yeah, his wish list at Amazon was full of how Obama stole the election and how he has ties to shady organizations.

Oh, wait, that list was about Bush.

And, interestingly, other than the fact that the title of your article claims it, there's nothing, nothing, to substantiate that claim. Other than the "virulent anti-government" meme. Based on his 9/11 trutherism, he's as much a right-wing extremist as Rosie O'Donnell and Charlie Sheen.
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I like the opening to this article.

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UPDATE Saturday, March 6: As more information emerges about Mr. Bedell, the less it appears that any coherent ideology was behind his actions, except that he was deeply antigovernment.


This reminds me a bit of how the IRS building attack was initially portrayed. Some in the media got a little boner thinking they had something pin on "right wingers" when it turned out the guy was just generally nuts.

You've got to admit, the headline in this article was pretty irresponsible. The only 'evidence' produced of this persons 'right wing' credentials was this,
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Details of Mr. Bedell’s case are still emerging. But writings by someone with his same name and birth date, posted on the Internet, express ill will toward the government and the armed forces and question whether Washington itself might have been behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
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According to the Associated Press, an Internet posting made by someone using the name JpatrickBedell expressed a determination to see justice served in the case of Marine Col. James Sabow, who was found dead in his California home in 1991. Authorities have ruled this case a suicide, but it has become a cause célèbre among extremists who consider that ruling a coverup by the government.

The posting expressed general hatred of Washington and added that exposing the Sabow case would be “a step toward establishing the truth of events such as the September 11 demolition,” according to the AP.


Right-wing extremists tend to be 'truthers' that are anti-armed forces???
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Forgot to mention: Bedell was a Democrat:
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Good work, Christian Science Monitor, good work.

As I mentioned, he was a conspiracy theorist with regards to Obama Bush. Here's his wish list at Amazon:
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demon = right wing

Wake up!
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Good analysis of Bedell's fringe extremism.

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In the extreme edge of conspiracy theory politics, it is way beyond the simple left versus right – the two overlap. . .But, we already have a body count in the Obama era from incidents that have come from folks who are associated more with the right. . . .In a piece on theDaily Beast, Avlon ticked off a handful of other incidents he linked to the growth of what he calls “fright wing” politics, and cited a report issued just last week by the Southern Poverty Law Center chronicling a sharp rise in militia activity and asserting “the radical right caught fire last year, as broad-based populist anger at political, demographic and economic changes in America ignited an explosion of new extremist groups and activism across the nation.”

In an interview with POLITICO, Avlon accused websites like Alex Jones’ Prison Planet and talk show hosts such as Glenn Beck of feeding “a drumbeat of incitement. When people engage constantly in trying to pump up fear and hate for hyper-partisan advantage or for ratings advantage, there is the danger that you can get an unhinged soul, a guy who’s already mentally unstable, who digests this steady diet of hate and fear and paranoia and eventually erupts.”


So, it's besides the point if this guy's politics were more right or left. We can all agree he was a fringe nutbob. The real point is, the right wing media nutbobs (Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Coulter) are dangerously fanning the smoldering flames in the like of Bedell.
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So if a rightwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. And if a leftwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. It's never a case of purely leftwing extremism, since, by this definition, that doesn't really exist. Got it.
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Welcome Dewey.
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kathyk
Mar 7 2010, 06:33 PM
“the radical right caught fire last year, as broad-based populist anger at political, demographic and economic changes in America ignited an explosion of new extremist groups and activism across the nation.”
I think it is most telling that "broad-based populist anger" is now identified as "right wing". The Left has been exposed for the charade of being "of the people" against the "conservative" power hegemony, but hasn't even realized it yet. :thumb:
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Mar 7 2010, 07:07 PM
So if a rightwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. And if a leftwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. It's never a case of purely leftwing extremism, since, by this definition, that doesn't really exist. Got it.
Beck and Limbaugh, in particular, have a huge audience. I've listened to Beck a couple of times and was completely appalled at the innuendos - I mean, some of it was blatant - toward hatred and uprising. At one point he was spouting off about how we are on the brink of a revolution (and how that's what good patriots do) and in the next sentence about keeping your gun handy. This was after referring to Obama as being Maoist and not one of "us." There is little question that they are having a big influence on their audience. To the extent that the right supports these guys and their hateful message, yes, violence inspired by them is the right's fault.
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You sure say the darnedest things.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 8 2010, 05:14 AM

There is little question that they are having a big influence on their audience.

Which obviously is you.

How would you say the influence has changed your life?

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Mar 8 2010, 05:14 AM
Dewey
Mar 7 2010, 07:07 PM
So if a rightwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. And if a leftwing nut does something wrong, it's the right's fault. It's never a case of purely leftwing extremism, since, by this definition, that doesn't really exist. Got it.
Beck and Limbaugh, in particular, have a huge audience. I've listened to Beck a couple of times and was completely appalled at the innuendos - I mean, some of it was blatant - toward hatred and uprising. At one point he was spouting off about how we are on the brink of a revolution (and how that's what good patriots do) and in the next sentence about keeping your gun handy. This was after referring to Obama as being Maoist and not one of "us." There is little question that they are having a big influence on their audience. To the extent that the right supports these guys and their hateful message, yes, violence inspired by them is the right's fault.
And what, in all of that, translates into any rationale for not holding extreme leftists responsible for their own looniness, rather than claiming it's the right's fault?

extreme rightist >>> the right is at fault
extreme leftist >>> it's everyone's fault equally, there's plenty of blame to go around; or, it's still the right's fault in some way
(as in the bizarre, illogical explanation you offer here)

But never, never, does extreme leftist >>> the left is at fault

In general, the left, far more than what I see on the right, seems to avoid any responsibility for their own excesses like the plague. When a leftist does something bad, it's always either a fabrication, or it's someone else's fault. :rolleyes2:

I'd respect the left a lot more if they simply took honest responsibility for their own missteps and nutcases, instead of constantly scurrying around for some kind of cover to assign explanation for them to something, or someone, else.
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Basically, every individual is responsible for his own acts. All I'm saying is that the dissemnination of hatred in the mass media is very likely going to cause people on the fringes to act out by encouraging their extreme beliefs, by leading them to believe that they are the norm and by inciting to them to act out violently. I don't see this kind thing going on in the left - certainly not in the MSM.
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If you think Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are inciting people to violence you really have no idea what they are really saying. You say you have listened to Beck, so have I and I don't find any sort of incitement of violence in anything he says. I can also say the same about Limbaugh. Sometimes you say some things that just make my head spin.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Mar 8 2010, 09:10 AM

inciting to them to act out violently.

I've watched Beck once, I don't think I've ever watched Rush.

Do they really encourage violence?

Can you give an example?

I can't believe they actually do this without getting in some kind of trouble fot it.

Clearly they have a profound effect on you, but I can't imagine they control people the way you say. They just couldn't get away with it.
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I listen or watch them occasionally, and while I hardly agree with everything they say, I've never heard any of them incite, or even hint at, encouraging violence. I have heard them both - especially Beck - warn about the threat to individual liberties that large, out of control government poses, but in both of their cases, I've only heard for redress of grievances through the ballot box, and nothing else. I find all the breathless fear and criticism of them based on incitation to violence to be baseless, and frankly, more than a little bit silly.
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Mar 8 2010, 09:46 AM
kathyk
Mar 8 2010, 09:10 AM

inciting to them to act out violently.

I've watched Beck once, I don't think I've ever watched Rush.

Do they really encourage violence?

Can you give an example?

I can't believe they actually do this without getting in some kind of trouble fot it.

Clearly they have a profound effect on you, but I can't imagine they control people the way you say. They just couldn't get away with it.
I don't generally watch TV. However, recently when I was on the elliptical at the Y, Fox was on and although I had my iPOD on, the TVs there have captions and Beck was on. I had never heard him. I knew he was bad, but I have to say, this was much worse than I had imagined. He was referring to the Obama as being Maoist. Then he went off in a dither talking about how people needed to stand up and do something about it. Then he talked about armed revolts and how that was how our country was founded. Then he back pedaled just enough to that he couldn't be accused of inciting violence and said something to the effect that "now I'm not advocating violence" but how he could understand if people resorted to it. This is a very loose paraphrase, but I was shocked at what was coming out of his mouth - and this already thinking I knew what to expect from him.
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But when Louis Farrakhan or Rev. Wright get up and talk about how bad America and the right is, that's just fine, huh?
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And we still have no explanation of how anything said by anyone on the right, whether they are considered extremists or otherwise, in any way whatsoever led to the Pentagon shooting incident. Of course, the whole intent behind the original article was to divert attention from the fact that the shooter was a rabid left-winger, by trying to make the conversation all about those evil right-wing talk show hosts.
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Of course. Next they burn the Reichstag.
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Mar 8 2010, 12:17 PM

Then he back pedaled just enough to that he couldn't be accused of inciting violence

Yet he is still accused.

So the back pedal failed.

As for "referring to the Obama as being Maoist",

Wiki says this about Maoism "The basic tenets of Maoism include revolutionary struggle of the vast majority of people against the exploiting classes and their state structures".

Referring to Mr. Obama as Maoist sounds reasonable to me.
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Mar 8 2010, 12:26 PM
But when Louis Farrakhan or Rev. Wright get up and talk about how bad America and the right is, that's just fine, huh?
I've never listened to Farahkan's speechs, but I can say I'm no fan of what he represents. I have listened to Wright's sermons, and there was nothing I heard that could even remotely be construed as inciting violence or fear mongering.

Who knows, Dewey, what inspired this guy to do his dirty deeds. It's all conjecture at this point. I think it's pretty obvious, though, that the hot headed rhetoric of people like Beck is dangerous. His frothing at the mouth style really reminds me of an American version of Hitter. Just as Hitler did, he's feeding into a the worst inclinations of a large group of people in bad economic times who are feeling very disenfranchised and are anxious to find a scape goat for all their woes. It's ugly, scary stuff.
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