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| What did Cardinal Hastert know,; and when did he know it? | |
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| George K | Mar 3 2010, 03:39 PM Post #1 |
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I'm sorry, did I say Hastert? I meant Hoyer. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33864.html Eric Massa to retire amid allegations he sexually harassed a male staffer
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 3 2010, 04:13 PM Post #2 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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So far, I don't see anything beyond vague claims of sexual harassment. Was the guy gay? If you treat everyone the same, it may be harassment, but it's not illegal harassment. It's known as the "equal opportunity offender" defense. Needless to say, attorneys don't recommend relying on it ... because it's an admission that you are awful to everyone, and juries tend to punish those sorts of people. Without more, there's nothing here to suggest that he did anything illegal. I'm sure there are more facts to come, but this is pretty thin. And if the guy has non-Hodgkins lymphoma, that seems like a pretty good reason to get out. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 3 2010, 04:31 PM Post #3 |
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NY Governor Spitzer - resigned after caught with prostitutes, infidelity NY Governor Paterson - ethics violations, court interference, infidelity, drugs (some prior to taking office, of course) NY Congressman Massa - resign after sexual harassment claims from a male staffer NY Congressman Rangel - ethics violations, unpaid taxes A good couple of years for NY democrats!
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 3 2010, 04:35 PM Post #4 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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You've got a good point on 3 of 4. That would make a great batting average, but a terrible field goal percentage. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| The 89th Key | Mar 3 2010, 04:42 PM Post #5 |
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Good thing we are playing Hardball! ![]()
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| George K | Mar 3 2010, 07:08 PM Post #6 |
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Of course the fact that Massa got $74,000 from Charlie Rangel has nothing to do with his resignation either. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Renauda | Mar 3 2010, 08:03 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Who's Cardinal |
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| George K | Mar 8 2010, 10:56 AM Post #8 |
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And How: Massa voted against the House bill in November because it did not go far enough. Evidently, he has earned the wrath of the White House, and he has a story to tell: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2010/03/08/ousted-congressman-exposes-obamas-chicago-tactics/ I won't embed the links, it's a PITA, but you can go to noquarterusa.net and get them Congressman Exposes Obama’s Chicago Tactics (with updates) Well, I’ll be! Rep. Eric Massa is not “going quietly into that good night,” and solemnly resigning from the House, despite iffy allegations that he sexually harassed a male staffer as well as his bout with cancer. Instead, Massa is alleging there was “an orchestrated campaign to force his resignation” because, with Massa gone, there’s one less vote to get to pass Obamacare in the House.
Massa may have been a career naval officer but he is not being an obedient soldier and obeying the demands of the bullying White House and Nancy Pelosi, who targeted the New York Democrat for his “no” vote on Obamacare. Here’s what Massa told a radio station today, via Roll Call:
Is Nancy Pelosi using an ethics investigation to embarrass Massa and force him out of office? This is nothing new to Massa. Check out what Rahm Emanuel did to Massa when he voted against the cap & trade bill. From “Massa Implicates Emanuel, Dem Leaders“:
Here’s more from Roll Call on today’s radio interview:
The ethics allegations, according to Massa, don’t amount to much (more below). It is Steny Hoyer’s behavior that Massa finds shocking. From the National Journal:
Here is what Massa says happened with the male aide:
Here’s a more detailed description of Massa’s view on the sexual harassment charge, via CNN:
Update: Roll Call has a transcript of Massa’s description of events at the wedding party. If Massa’s version of events is true, this is indeed a tempest in a teapot. For more on Massa’s statements today, check out Memeorandum.com’s collection of news and blog posts. You can hear the audio of Massa’s interview today — if it’s available. Right now, the site is at capacity.[/quote] |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Red Rice | Mar 8 2010, 12:34 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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This just gets more and more
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| George K | Mar 8 2010, 01:09 PM Post #10 |
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http://washingtonindependent.com/78652/eric-massa-to-rip-democrat-on-glenn-becks-fox-news-show Rep. Eric Massa’s (D-N.Y.) scorching attack on Democrats — while a lot of attention is going to a silly story about Rahm Emanuel, he accuses his party of trying to “shove the [health care] bill down our throats” — will be amplified tomorrow with a full-hour interview on Glenn Beck’s Fox News show. In roughly 12 hours, Massa has changed his narrative from “congressman resigning in disgrace” to angry, Howard Beale-esque truth-teller who’d simply had enough and will take his party to the woodshed. Left unsettled: the incredibly important issue of whether he’ll resign today, as he said he would, or he’ll try to bring down the health care bill by staying in Congress. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Massa voted "no" in November on the bill because it did not go far enough. He is in favor of single-payer. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0305/Eric-Massa-s-early-exit-from-House-may-ease-healthcare-s-passage
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Mar 8 2010, 05:30 PM Post #11 |
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John Hinderacker proposes a thought experiment:
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 8 2010, 05:41 PM Post #12 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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You guys are pretty funny. The story comes up originally, and you're all over it like white on rice. The guy denies it, and you are all convinced that you've got your very own Democratic Larry Craig, and that the guy has no credibility at all. Now, he claims he was forced out by the Obama boys, and suddenly you're convinced he's the most credible guy on the planet ... a hero! I wish you'd make up your minds. Sorry, I forgot, it's more important to switch to the highest profile target you can find at the earliest opportunity. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Mar 8 2010, 05:46 PM Post #13 |
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The guy denied it, and you were the one who agreed with his story that it was his lymphoma that prompted his resignation.
So, was he lying then, or is he lying now? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Mar 8 2010, 05:53 PM Post #14 |
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BZZZZ! Wrong. I'm sorry, you won't be able to play Double Jeopardy. I said that lymphoma seemed like a good reason to resign, and that I'd like to wait for the facts to come out first. I rendered no judgment on whether he was guilty of harassment or not. I just said that the facts that were out there, at that point, were pretty thin. In fact, my recollection is that I was fairly explicit that more facts might come out, and that could change my perception. You're the Search King. Go back and check. And, instead of trying to play the pot calling the kettle black, why don't you try to explain your own volte face? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Mar 8 2010, 06:06 PM Post #15 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Now who again was on it 'like white on rice'? Certainly not I. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | Mar 9 2010, 12:43 PM Post #16 |
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Here's some thicker allegations.
So, as I asked, when was he lying? Oh, and can you show me where I praised Massa? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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