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Oscar nominations
Topic Started: Feb 2 2010, 11:48 AM (932 Views)
George K
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Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
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Feb 2 2010, 02:25 PM
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Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
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George K
Feb 2 2010, 02:25 PM
Nobody's Sock
Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
Aw, c'mon, historical perspective.

How Green Was My Valley beating Citizen Kane, maybe the best movie of all time, as well as The Maltese Falcon.

Oliver! beating The Lion in Winter.

Ordinary People beating Raging Bull.

In the Heat of the Night beating Bonnie and Clyde.

The Sound of Music beating Doctor Zhivago.

The Best Years of Our Lives beating It's a Wonderful Life.

The Greatest Show on Earth beating High Noon.

Rebecca beating The Grapes of Wrath and The Philadelphia Story.

There have been lots of travesties over the years, and I don't think those two stack up to Citizen Kane, Doctor Zhivago, or High Noon losing.

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Wow, Quirt. I didn't know those others. Amazing.

And you're right about "Citizen Kane."
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Feb 2 2010, 02:37 PM
George K
Feb 2 2010, 02:25 PM
Nobody's Sock
Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
Aw, c'mon, historical perspective.

How Green Was My Valley beating Citizen Kane, maybe the best movie of all time, as well as The Maltese Falcon.
How Green Was My Valley was an excellent movie so it's not like they picked a mediocre one over Citizen Kane. And I'm sure it was more accessible to people at the time.
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Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
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Feb 2 2010, 01:40 PM
I've only seen Avatar and Up. My wife saw Up and The Blind Side. I gave up caring about the Oscars long ago (maybe when Saving Private Ryan lost to Shakespear in Love?).
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

I thought the greatest travesty evah was Ordinary People beating Elephant Man.
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I'm a little surprised people aren't more worried about some terrorist atrocity at the Oscars. If I was a fundamentalist Muslim, I think I'd be pretty tempted. Even as a regular bloke I've been tempted a couple of times.
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Feb 2 2010, 02:28 PM
George K
Feb 2 2010, 02:25 PM
Nobody's Sock
Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
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Probably this was why they dissed Saving Private Ryan - trying to make up for Forrest Gump.

My vote for greatest travesty of the above list would have to be High Noon's loss. That seems to be the movie where the gap of worthiness was the biggest. The Greatest Show on Earth was pretty awful.
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Feb 2 2010, 04:39 PM
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Feb 2 2010, 02:28 PM
George K
Feb 2 2010, 02:25 PM
Nobody's Sock
Feb 2 2010, 02:17 PM
The greatest travesty of Oscar justice ever!

I don't know the inside story, but there's a lot of Spielberg haters in the Academy.

That's probably the 2nd greatest travesty. I thought Ryan was a great film, better than Shakespeare - by far. I don't remember the other nominees that year, so perhaps Ryan was the best of the lot.

But, the greatest travesty?

Shawshank Redemption loses to Forrest Gump.
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Probably this was why they dissed Saving Private Ryan - trying to make up for Forrest Gump.

My vote for greatest travesty of the above list would have to be High Noon's loss. That seems to be the movie where the gap of worthiness was the biggest. The Greatest Show on Earth was pretty awful.
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District 9 - a most bizarre movie that I thoroughly enjoyed. Oscar worthy just because it was sufficiently original.

Avatar - also enjoyed this. Perhaps the special effects or CGI are Oscar worthy. If it was filmed on a real set, then I would have said it should win for cinematography, but I don't think it qualifies when the scenery is all cgi. As far as the story line, rehash of a thousand other movies - boy meets girl, they fall in love, there's extenuating circumstances which try to keep them apart, boy eventually wins the day, and everyone lives happily ever after.

Haven't seen any of the others.
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Feb 2 2010, 07:02 PM

everyone lives happily ever after.


OK, so no need for me to see it now.
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MS - it's mostly marketing now, but back in the day (aka in the 30's and 40's I believe) they used to nominate 8-12 films each year. I still like 5 better, but oh well....I'll still watch. Always my favorite awards show, but that's probably because I love films so much.
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It's interesting to see the list of "travesties" over the years, I haven't seen as many classics as I'd like but seeing that Dr. Zhivago lost (one of the few classic movies I've seen) is certainly an injustice in my book.

However I remember growing up (this is during my dreaming days of becoming a hollywood director) and thinking "If I ever win an Oscar, my speech will simply say that this is dedicated to Saving Private Ryan and the incredible injustice of Shakespeare In Love winning". That injustice has turned away more folks from watching the Oscars than anything I can remember.

Also, in 1994....Pulp Fiction also lost out to Forrest Gump. IMO I think Forrest Gump was just as good as Shawshank, so I would have been happy with either win. Such terrific movies...
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Quirt, that's an interesting list. However, I don't think In the Heat of the Night beating Bonnie and Clyde could be called a travesty. Heat of the Night is an amazing movie. Definitely deserving of its Oscar, imo.
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Movietickets.com did a poll and here are the results for biggest Best Picture upsets of all time:

1. Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan (44%)
2. Crash over Brokeback Mountain (18%)
3. Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas (13%)
4. Rocky over Taxi Driver (13%)
5. How Green Was My Valley over Citizen Kane (12%)

Another list of groundbreaking films that were either nominated for Best Picture and lost, or were never nominated in the first place:

2001: A Space Odyssey
American Graffiti
Apocalypse Now
Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau)
Blue Velvet
Brazil
Bride of Frankenstein
Bringing Up Baby
Chimes at Midnight
Citizen Kane
A Clockwork Orange
The Color Purple
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Do the Right Thing
Dr. Strangelove
Duck Soup
E.T.
Europa, Europa
Frankenstein
Goodfellas
Grand Illusion
The Grapes of Wrath
Hail the Conquering Hero
Hannah and Her Sisters
A Hard Day’s Night
His Girl Friday
I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang
In Cold Blood
The Informer
Jaws
Jean de Florette
King Kong
The Lady Eve
The Last Picture Show
The Magnificent Ambersons
Manhattan
Manon of the Spring
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek
A Night at the Opera
North by Northwest
The Palm Beach Story
Paths of Glory
The Philadelphia Story
Raging Bull
Ran
Rear Window
Red River
Roger and Me
The Rules of the Game
Scarface (Hawks)
The Scarlet Empress
The Searchers
Shadow of a Doubt
The Shop Around the Corner
Show Boat (Whale)
Singin’ in the Rain
Star Wars
Sullivan’s Travels
The Sweet Smell of Success
The Thin Blue Line (Morris)
The Thin Man
The Thirty-Nine Steps (Hitchcock)
To Be or Not to Be (Lubitsch)
Two for the Road
Vertigo
What Price Hollywood
The Wizard of Oz
Wuthering Heights (Wyler)
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Feb 3 2010, 07:37 AM
Quirt, that's an interesting list. However, I don't think In the Heat of the Night beating Bonnie and Clyde could be called a travesty. Heat of the Night is an amazing movie. Definitely deserving of its Oscar, imo.
Absolutely. That's one of the brilliant ones.
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Feb 3 2010, 08:09 AM
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Feb 3 2010, 07:37 AM
Quirt, that's an interesting list. However, I don't think In the Heat of the Night beating Bonnie and Clyde could be called a travesty. Heat of the Night is an amazing movie. Definitely deserving of its Oscar, imo.
Absolutely. That's one of the brilliant ones.
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Feb 3 2010, 07:59 AM
Movietickets.com did a poll and here are the results for biggest Best Picture upsets of all time:

1. Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan (44%)
2. Crash over Brokeback Mountain (18%)
3. Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas (13%)
4. Rocky over Taxi Driver (13%)
5. How Green Was My Valley over Citizen Kane (12%)

Another list of groundbreaking films that were either nominated for Best Picture and lost, or were never nominated in the first place:

2001: A Space Odyssey
American Graffiti
Apocalypse Now
Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau)
Blue Velvet
Brazil
Bride of Frankenstein
Bringing Up Baby
Chimes at Midnight
Citizen Kane
A Clockwork Orange
The Color Purple
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Do the Right Thing
Dr. Strangelove
Duck Soup
E.T.
Europa, Europa
Frankenstein
Goodfellas
Grand Illusion
The Grapes of Wrath
Hail the Conquering Hero
Hannah and Her Sisters
A Hard Day’s Night
His Girl Friday
I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang
In Cold Blood
The Informer
Jaws
Jean de Florette
King Kong
The Lady Eve
The Last Picture Show
The Magnificent Ambersons
Manhattan
Manon of the Spring
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek
A Night at the Opera
North by Northwest
The Palm Beach Story
Paths of Glory
The Philadelphia Story
Raging Bull
Ran
Rear Window
Red River
Roger and Me
The Rules of the Game
Scarface (Hawks)
The Scarlet Empress
The Searchers
Shadow of a Doubt
The Shop Around the Corner
Show Boat (Whale)
Singin’ in the Rain
Star Wars
Sullivan’s Travels
The Sweet Smell of Success
The Thin Blue Line (Morris)
The Thin Man
The Thirty-Nine Steps (Hitchcock)
To Be or Not to Be (Lubitsch)
Two for the Road
Vertigo
What Price Hollywood
The Wizard of Oz
Wuthering Heights (Wyler)
Gee, I wonder if that's an example of the recency effect.

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Avatar - also enjoyed this. Perhaps the special effects or CGI are Oscar worthy. If it was filmed on a real set, then I would have said it should win for cinematography, but I don't think it qualifies when the scenery is all cgi. As far as the story line, rehash of a thousand other movies - boy meets girl, they fall in love, there's extenuating circumstances which try to keep them apart, boy eventually wins the day, and everyone lives happily ever after.
Well, maybe not EVERYONE. (Without describing any spoilers.)
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Add Gran Torino to the list of brilliant movies that never even made the A list.
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Feb 3 2010, 08:38 AM
Add Gran Torino to the list of brilliant movies that never even made the A list.
Brilliant movie? I beg to differ. It was a feel good type though, the way he handled the thugs throughout the movie, but Oscar worthy? meh.


Edited by Nobody's Sock, Feb 3 2010, 08:44 AM.
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Feb 3 2010, 08:29 AM
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Feb 3 2010, 07:59 AM
Movietickets.com did a poll and here are the results for biggest Best Picture upsets of all time:

1. Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan (44%)
2. Crash over Brokeback Mountain (18%)
3. Dances with Wolves over Goodfellas (13%)
4. Rocky over Taxi Driver (13%)
5. How Green Was My Valley over Citizen Kane (12%)

Another list of groundbreaking films that were either nominated for Best Picture and lost, or were never nominated in the first place:

2001: A Space Odyssey
American Graffiti
Apocalypse Now
Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau)
Blue Velvet
Brazil
Bride of Frankenstein
Bringing Up Baby
Chimes at Midnight
Citizen Kane
A Clockwork Orange
The Color Purple
Crimes and Misdemeanors
Do the Right Thing
Dr. Strangelove
Duck Soup
E.T.
Europa, Europa
Frankenstein
Goodfellas
Grand Illusion
The Grapes of Wrath
Hail the Conquering Hero
Hannah and Her Sisters
A Hard Day’s Night
His Girl Friday
I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang
In Cold Blood
The Informer
Jaws
Jean de Florette
King Kong
The Lady Eve
The Last Picture Show
The Magnificent Ambersons
Manhattan
Manon of the Spring
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek
A Night at the Opera
North by Northwest
The Palm Beach Story
Paths of Glory
The Philadelphia Story
Raging Bull
Ran
Rear Window
Red River
Roger and Me
The Rules of the Game
Scarface (Hawks)
The Scarlet Empress
The Searchers
Shadow of a Doubt
The Shop Around the Corner
Show Boat (Whale)
Singin’ in the Rain
Star Wars
Sullivan’s Travels
The Sweet Smell of Success
The Thin Blue Line (Morris)
The Thin Man
The Thirty-Nine Steps (Hitchcock)
To Be or Not to Be (Lubitsch)
Two for the Road
Vertigo
What Price Hollywood
The Wizard of Oz
Wuthering Heights (Wyler)
Gee, I wonder if that's an example of the recency effect.

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the effect also refers to the effect in autobiographical memory that people recall more recent than remote personal events.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_effect
no doubt Quirt. Boy, looking at some of the years, where you have more than one picture that is worthy of best picture, it makes me wonder whether they should select 2 movies for best picture on any given year. Dances with Wolves and Goodfellas is a great example, as is Forrest Gump and Shawshank.
Then again, maybe on some other years, where the Best Picture is really not that great at all, and there's been a few years of this, maybe they should just leave it vacant.
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we should have our own nominations for 2009 TNCR performances ...
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Feb 3 2010, 08:44 AM
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Feb 3 2010, 08:38 AM
Add Gran Torino to the list of brilliant movies that never even made the A list.
Brilliant movie? I beg to differ. It was a feel good type though, the way he handled the thugs throughout the movie, but Oscar worthy? meh.


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Add Gran Torino to the list of brilliant movies that never even made the A list.
Brilliant movie? I beg to differ. It was a feel good type though, the way he handled the thugs throughout the movie, but Oscar worthy? meh.


Feel good? It opens at a funeral, a neighborhood is terrorized, a young woman beaten and raped, and he dies in the end. You and I have different views of "feel good". :lol2:

I think it was a very tight and compelling story, very well directed, excellent character development, very good cinematography, and above all entertaining. YMMV.
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