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| Thank you Lb; A beautiful tribute to Howard Zinn | |
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| kathyk | Feb 2 2010, 08:19 AM Post #26 |
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I appreciate the kind words Phlebas and AL. I certainly didn't expect this thread to turn into this. Not to toot my horn, but Lb in response to your statement that I didn't need to get an advanced degree, and the government shouldn't have paid for it, I had to chuckle. I actually had to fight with the local welfare office to put me on the dole because I didn't fit their criteria for that very reason. There wasn't a written rule, but some supervisor felt the same way you did. I appealed and won, and let me tell you, the whole process was more than degrading and I sat in that horrid office in tears several times. I was pretty desperate though. At that point, I no longer had my office job. I had quit when I had my 2nd baby, and we were living off of ex's paltry interest in a family trust fund. When he left, I was without any means of support, I was already one year into law school and it made absolutely no sense to go scrounging for another low level job when I was so close to my goal, in need of just nine months of support. The other thing, though, is in regard to the cost/benefit to society. The money has not only been paid back many times over in the way of taxes, I also employ three people, all who are paid well and love their jobs. That's something I would not have been able to do as an office administrator. No doubt, there are a lot of people stuck in the rut of dependency on government. But there have been a lot of initiatives to change that. Clinton heralded in welfare to work reforms. Most states have pretty strict laws now about how long one can be on welfare. Medicaid generally only available to children in poverty - not adults, unless they're disabled. The biggest welfare cost is Medicaid. So, what should we do? Take that away? Take away welfare to work programs? Take away daycare subsidies without which people would end up paying more to work than their take home pay? It's a whole lot more complicated than saying that there should simply be no welfare unless you like the idea of work farms and debtors prisons. Edited by kathyk, Feb 2 2010, 08:20 AM.
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| John D'Oh | Feb 2 2010, 08:52 AM Post #27 |
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I didn't pay one red cent for my higher education. In fact, I was given money after I graduated to take a further course in electrical engineering. Isn't socialism wonderful! |
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| Frank_W | Feb 2 2010, 08:55 AM Post #28 |
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And what am I? Chopped liver?
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| kathyk | Feb 2 2010, 09:12 AM Post #29 |
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Of course you, too. You know I love you Frank.
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| Frank_W | Feb 2 2010, 09:17 AM Post #30 |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Jolly | Feb 2 2010, 09:35 AM Post #31 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Gee...I didn't even know people who had trust funds.... |
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| kathyk | Feb 2 2010, 09:43 AM Post #32 |
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Well, as I said, it paid him a very small amount of income every 3 months. He had also gotten a 100K disbursement several years before we married, but he had blown through most of it by the time I knew him. The trust had also paid for his prep school and college education. He seriously fit the classic ne-er-do-well stereo-type - born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but never acquiring any sense of personal responsibility. Now, *he* was a person with entitlement issues. So, I guess, Jolly, you can count yourself lucky having never known anyone with a trust fund. So often they seem to do more harm than good.
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| John D'Oh | Feb 2 2010, 09:52 AM Post #33 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo |
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| kathyk | Feb 2 2010, 10:04 AM Post #34 |
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How did you get that film of my ex, John? Seriously, though, he had a lot of the mannerisms and his name is, Huntley.
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| John D'Oh | Feb 2 2010, 10:13 AM Post #35 |
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You married a Yorkshireman????? Speaking as someone who has indeed had to lick the road clean, I am incredulous. Well, when I say lick the road clean, I actually fell over and couldn't get back up, but the effect was similar. |
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| JBryan | Feb 2 2010, 10:26 AM Post #36 |
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You had a road to lick? Why, you must think the sun shines out your ass. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| kathyk | Feb 2 2010, 10:36 AM Post #37 |
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Yeah, well, you know, all those blue blood Yankees want to believe they descended directly from British royalty - or at least the Mayflower. |
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