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| QuirtEvans | Jan 25 2010, 06:11 PM Post #1 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I'm curious to see whether you will give Obama credit for doing something Bush never did. http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/25/obama.spending.freeze/index.html?hpt=T1 |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 25 2010, 06:27 PM Post #2 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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It's a start. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 25 2010, 06:31 PM Post #3 |
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Cheers
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+1 But only a start. "nonsecurity federal discretionary spending" is a tiny fraction of the budget. to make progress we need to hit defense and entitlements. (or should I say "defense" and "entitlements") |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 25 2010, 07:02 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, I've made that point, too. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mark | Jan 25 2010, 07:06 PM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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We have to start somewhere! But it is not a very significant amount compared to what needs to be cut. |
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| Copper | Jan 25 2010, 07:13 PM Post #6 |
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Shortstop
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I guess you are right, Mr. Bush never actually said he wanted to continue spending like a drunken sailor. Let's give Mr. Obama some credit. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 25 2010, 07:19 PM Post #7 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Good for him. |
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| George K | Jan 25 2010, 07:25 PM Post #8 |
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Finally
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Agreed. Hopefully it'll be more substantial than the $150M he got the Cabinet to cut. That was a molecule in an ocean. This is a drop. Let's see if it really happens. |
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| brenda | Jan 25 2010, 07:28 PM Post #9 |
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It's a move in the right direction. Let's hope it becomes a strong effort to rein in spending. |
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| Jeff | Jan 25 2010, 07:35 PM Post #10 |
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Senior Carp
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Given Washington Democrats' unprecedented spending binge, this is like announcing you're going on a diet after winning a pie-eating contest," said Michael Steel Ok, this is a pretty good line, especially since Obama was only stopped from eating another dozen pies because Mass voters took them away by force before he could chow down. Of course it is a good idea, but only about one percent of what is needed (why not real cuts, not freezes?). Obama needs to take some heat for leaving Iraq for real. Yesterday. Why not cut military spending? Why not use TARP profits to pay off debt rather than a Congressional spending kitty? Why not kill the rest of the "stimulus" bill that only made state budgets worse? Edited by Jeff, Jan 25 2010, 07:44 PM.
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| Larry | Jan 25 2010, 07:51 PM Post #11 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Experience shows that Obama will make a promise like this to gin up support, and then once the spotlight has been turned off he will either do the opposite, or not do it at all. A spending freeze is good. I have no confidence whatsoever that it is anything more than another "we'll have all the discussions on C-Span". A liar, is a liar. But I'll wait for him to prove me wrong. |
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| Frank_W | Jan 25 2010, 08:23 PM Post #12 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Yeah... If this is for real and he follows through, credit where credit is due. I tend to believe all politicians lie and lie and lie some more, and the really GOOD ones are pathological, and actually BELIEVE their own lies. Time will tell. For now, I'm willing to give an "atta' boy." |
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| Red Rice | Jan 25 2010, 08:27 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Obama is taking advantage of the Congressional Dems' weakness. Hope he can pull it off, and I hope the Blue Dogs and especially the Republicans will help. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Luke's Dad | Jan 25 2010, 08:58 PM Post #14 |
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Emperor Pengin
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It's a good move and a good start. I thought it was a good move when McCain first suggested it back during the debates. Of course, Obama pooh poohed the idea and started talking about a surgical scalpel. |
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| Jeff | Jan 25 2010, 09:16 PM Post #15 |
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It seems to be minimum cutting for maximum PR to pretend he is cost conscious and give himself some sound bites. Expect the HuffPo/Maddow types to scream as if this meant anything. If he were serious he would announce that the 2.5 trillion dollar health bill was unaffordable, and cut military costs as well. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 26 2010, 12:31 AM Post #16 |
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Cheers
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Whether he's sincere or not sooner or later the bond market will force his hand. |
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| JoeB | Jan 26 2010, 12:50 AM Post #17 |
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Senior Carp
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"Hitting" defense may be possible (whether it's a good idea is a different discussion) but how do you 'hit' entitlements? Arbitrarily reducing social security payments (how about a 25% across the board reduction) might (just maybe might) cause a small amount of disruption - Think about 10 million tea party types , armed with real nuclear weapons, attacking Washington. Think about tens of thousands of square miles (the entire states of Virginia and Maryland, as well as the District of Columbia) destroyed so completely that they will remain unhabitable for 10,000 years. If you can think about that scenario, you might begin to understand the political repercussions of such an attempt at cost control. On the plus side, the entertainment value of watching packs of pi$$ed off seniors running down congresscritters in the wld and dismembering them would be considerable. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 26 2010, 04:52 AM Post #18 |
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+1. |
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| Luke's Dad | Jan 26 2010, 05:05 AM Post #19 |
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The only way to even begin approaching Medicare and SS is by raising the retirement dates. Moving eligibility ages back 3-5 years. Also, a legitimate approach to reducing health care costs will lowerer medicare expenditures as well. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 26 2010, 05:09 AM Post #20 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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True, but who will be the first politician to propose it???
One can only hope. However, unless it's truly bipartisan, one side or the other will use it for political leverage to toss the other side under the bus with "fear" ads. Hell, even if it's bipartisan, I'd imagine that the AARP will do that anyway, in a "pox on both your houses" sort of thing. The only way I can see this working is in a BRAC-style commission, and if enough Congresscritters actually summon the intestinal fortitude to do what's right even if it means they get AARP'd to death. |
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| Improviso | Jan 26 2010, 05:28 AM Post #21 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Obie was against a spending freeze before he was for it. While trying to get elected, he thought it was a bad idea. Now, to bolster public opinion, he's for it. Typical.
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 26 2010, 05:33 AM Post #22 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Or, maybe, he's changed his mind in light of economic conditions. Nah, that couldn't be it. You guys have been SCREAMING at the top of your lungs that he needs to control spending. Several people here have called for a freeze, or across-the-board cuts. So, he does just that. And then you have the balls to criticize him for doing it? Typical. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Improviso | Jan 26 2010, 05:37 AM Post #23 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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McCain thought it was a good idea LONG before Obie did. And you guys trashed HIM for it. Typical. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 26 2010, 05:44 AM Post #24 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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As I said, things are a little different a year and a half later. You have heard of the concept of changing your mind a year and a half later based on unanticipated conditions, right? And, more to the point ... you are criticizing people for changing their minds, a year and a half later. I'm criticizing you because you are attacking Obama for doing exactly what you (I think you said it, but certainly, members of the conservative cabal have said it) have recommended he do WITHIN THE LAST MONTH. You've set it up so that you can criticize him, no matter what. If he doesn't move to cut spending, you criticize him for not doing it. If he does move to cut spending, you criticize him for pandering to public opinion. Even if you think he gets almost everything wrong, at least have the stones to acknowledge when he gets one right. Or, take Larry's point of view, and call him a liar, and say that he doesn't mean it. But please, don't criticize him for doing exactly what you said he should be doing. Edit: You're starting to sound like a Republican Senator. Is there a Virginia Senate seat opening up soon?
Edited by QuirtEvans, Jan 26 2010, 05:47 AM.
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| lb1 | Jan 26 2010, 05:46 AM Post #25 |
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Fulla-Carp
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FIFY lb |
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