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| QuirtEvans | Jan 31 2010, 02:44 PM Post #26 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Completely serious. In a culture where people are willing to martyr themselves, and do so regularly, locking people up permanently without any sort of trial or any evidence presented looks tyrannical. Don't give them more excuses to think that we are the bad guys. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuantumIvory | Jan 31 2010, 04:03 PM Post #27 |
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Senior Carp
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The radical jihadists don't need a reason to think we're the bad guys. When they consider even moderate Muslims as the bad guys, keeping a few of the loony ones locked up will not make them hate us less. In fact, whenever we do release any detainees they probably laugh and view us as weak. |
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| Copper | Jan 31 2010, 04:53 PM Post #28 |
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Shortstop
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Let's assume for the moment there are some "good" muslims. Why would they want these kooks? I think keeping the kooks locked up should make us some friends. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| Axtremus | Jan 31 2010, 09:25 PM Post #29 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Have you ask good Muslims this question? |
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| CTPianotech | Feb 1 2010, 03:56 AM Post #30 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Could any such law address the 50 or so people the 'task force' is referring to?? (i'm thinking something about ex-post-facto ) |
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| QuirtEvans | Feb 1 2010, 04:05 AM Post #31 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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That's a good question. However, the rules for the military tribunals were written after they were taken into custody. I think you'd solve the ex post facto problem by saying that the law isn't designed to punish their past behavior, it applies to future acts they might commit and the danger that they present. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Copper | Feb 1 2010, 06:50 AM Post #32 |
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Shortstop
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Sure, all the TNCR good muslims read this. If they wanted the terrorists to be their neighbors they would have spoken up by now. They don't want them either. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 1 2010, 11:39 AM Post #33 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Which requires prophecy or mind reading or fortune telling. You cannot write a valid law punishing people for what they might do in the future. |
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| Frank_W | Feb 1 2010, 11:49 AM Post #34 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Yeah... Punishing people for crimes they might commit in the future is a little too, "Minority Report"-ish, for me...
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| JBryan | Feb 1 2010, 11:50 AM Post #35 |
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I am the grey one
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Well, there is your precedent although it hasn't happened yet. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 1 2010, 11:57 AM Post #36 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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There are certainly laws regarding conspiracy to commit crimes, but those are actual crimes, not some excuse to get around the opinion that someone is too dangerous to let go but we supposedly can't just hold people indefinitely so we will write a law allowing us to hold them indefinitely because the law says we can. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| JBryan | Feb 1 2010, 12:31 PM Post #37 |
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I am the grey one
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That was meant to be tongue in cheek. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| ivorythumper | Feb 1 2010, 12:45 PM Post #38 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Yeah, I kind of realized that after I got into it, but thought, "what the hell..."
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