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A step towards legalizing pot in California
Topic Started: Jan 12 2010, 12:12 PM (689 Views)
Copper
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Before long, about the only places you will be able to smoke cigarettes will be in your car and in some private homes.

So where could you smoke pot, only in private homes where the neighbors don’t object?
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Alcohol is many, many times more harmful.


And yet we keep hearing about the benefits of a glass or two of red wine. Not to mention that old ad about "Guinness is good for you".
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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kenny
Jan 12 2010, 04:51 PM
Anyone care to guess what is the average cost now for, say, one joint? - I mean from what you've heard, of course, from your sister's, boyfriend's, neighbor's, brother's, plumber's, uncle, who smokes the stuff.
I've *heard* the street price is $400 an oz.

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1hp
Jan 12 2010, 06:13 PM
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Alcohol is many, many times more harmful.


And yet we keep hearing about the benefits of a glass or two of red wine. Not to mention that old ad about "Guinness is good for you".
I was referring to alcohol abuse vs. marijuana abuse.

Everything in moderation.
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CHAS
Jan 12 2010, 05:16 PM
Are we going to need a MAHD?

Mothers Against High Driving?
I doubt there would be anymore high driving than there is now.

IMO high driving is not as dangerous. You rarely hear reports of people killed in pot related crashes, as opposed to alcohol related crashes.

edit to add: That said, I would not drive high, and wouldn't recommend anyone else does either.
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kenny
Jan 12 2010, 04:51 PM
Anyone care to guess what is the average cost now for, say, one joint? - I mean from what you've heard, of course, from your sister's, boyfriend's, neighbor's, brother's, plumber's, uncle, who smokes the stuff.
Well, a joint is usually about 0.5 grams, which is $3-$5. (depending on quantity purchased.
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Jan 12 2010, 04:51 PM
Anyone care to guess what is the average cost now for, say, one joint? - I mean from what you've heard, of course, from your sister's, boyfriend's, neighbor's, brother's, plumber's, uncle, who smokes the stuff.
Kenny....

The weed people are buying nowadays (especially medicinal) is very potent. I do not think anyone could actually smoke a entire joint of it. Most people take one or two hits through a glass pipe or vaporizer. But the street value of really good pot is around $10 - $15 a gram...$100/quarter. You could probably roll a doob from a gram...but it wouldn't be a very big one.

I say legalize and tax the hell out of it.
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Why not legalize and cut taxes? Or don't legalize and cut taxes.

The government is already out of control, there is no need to bring more fuel.

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I remember bitching when it went from $15-20 an ounce to $30-35 around the time Colombian product started coming in. A pound was about $160.
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Jan 13 2010, 07:03 AM
I remember bitching when it went from $15-20 an ounce to $30-35 around the time Colombian product started coming in. A pound was about $160.
Yeah...I remember Columbian gold and Thai stick. I call that grade of weed the Brown Frown. That's the stuff you needed to smoke a big Bob Marley of. Down south near the Mexi border you can still get handfulls of that seedy stinky dirt weed for cheap.
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The buzz was better than the too strong green stuff. Much more mellow and enjoyable.
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Real Thai stick was some kick ass **** but it had to be actually on a stick. Anything else was fake.
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Yep. It was very tasty, too.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-marijuana13-2010jan13,0,6346714.story

EDITORIAL
Legalize marijuana? Not so fast
Though an Assembly panel has taken a step in that direction, it's too soon for such a dramatic action.

January 13, 2010

Marijuana advocates are cheering the Assembly's Public Safety Committee for voting out a measure Tuesday designed to legalize, tax and regulate the sale of the drug to adults 21 and over. The bill is being marketed as a revenue raiser; the Board of Equalization estimates that the state could reap up to $1.3 billion in sorely needed tax revenue, and proponents have skillfully wielded the budget crisis to boost support for the measure.

Polls show that 56% of Californians back legalizing marijuana. Across the country, the numbers are somewhat lower, but nevertheless momentum is building for a reconsideration of marijuana laws covering both medicinal and recreational use. Many states now treat marijuana offenses as mere infractions, not subject to jail time. The American Medical Assn. recently reversed its long-held position and urged more research into the drug's properties.

Still, for California to purport to legalize marijuana unilaterally raises several serious concerns. For one thing, to do so simply because the state faces a budget crisis would be a rash and reckless way to make public policy. More important, California does not have the authority to take such a step. Cannabis may be the nation's largest cash crop, but marijuana remains a Schedule I drug, deemed by the federal government to have a high potential for abuse, no accepted medical value and illegal to use under all circumstances.

Perhaps Californians have been emboldened by their pioneering role in legalizing medicinal marijuana, but in truth, the conflict between state and federal law has had serious consequences for users and distributors caught in the federal web. Yes, the Obama administration now has a formal policy of ignoring medical marijuana activity in states that have passed laws permitting its use, and the Justice Department has halted raids on dispensaries and prosecutions of sick patients. But that is merely a truce. Widespread legalization for recreational purposes is almost guaranteed to upset the delicate detente with Washington.

AB 390, sponsored by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), would not be an appropriate first step for California. It's true that a $50-per-ounce fee is included in the bill that would go to anti-drug programs. But that's not enough. The state needs a thorough airing of the pros and cons of legalization and the pitfalls related to abuse of the drug before taking such dramatic action. We welcome a debate over legalizing marijuana, but we do not support this bill.

Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times

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Jan 13 2010, 06:56 AM
But the street value of really good pot is around $10 - $15 a gram...$100/quarter.
$100 for a quarter? :hair:

That's 7 grams for $100, when you're paying $10 for 1. Does not compute.

It's $50 'round here.
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I could understand decriminalizing "personal use" quantities, but to just totally legalize it? Yeah... I honestly don't think that would happen, nor would it be a good idea. If you think legalizing it is going to cut out the criminal element, you're wrong.

The average price for a pack of cigarettes is around $4.50 a pack. How much do you think a pack of "Columbian Gold" is going to go for? Say, for example, a legal pack of "CG" went for $10-$20/pack. Why should I pay that much when I can go see "Carlos" and buy the same amount, and possibly more potent stuff, for less money? Or, if the marijuana on the street dries up because of the legalization and no one can afford it, what's going to be the next cheap high and what problems will that create?

If I pull someone over for something and I end up having to search them, I tell them, "If you have marijuana on you, just tell me. You can toss it by the road and I'm not going to care." What's stupid, is that most of these knuckleheads will say, "No.. I don't have any weed on me..." and then I end up pulling a baggie out of one of their pockets. :doh:
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Laws that vary with quantity don't make sense to me.

If it is okay then any quantity is okay.
If it is not okay then any quantity is not okay.
We just have to decide whether it is okay.

If only a small quantity is okay, didn't every small quantity come from a large quantity?
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Meh, Frank is "The Fuzz" now. Of course he doesn't want it to be legal. :lol:
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So by that logic, someone who has a single joint should be slammed with the same punishment as someone with a carload of weed? The world isn't black and white, Kenny. Neither is the justice system. This is a good thing.

There's also a big difference between decriminalization and legalization.
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Jan 13 2010, 09:47 AM
Meh, Frank is "The Fuzz" now. Of course he doesn't want it to be legal. :lol:
Not true. But there are more considerations to legalization than most people realize.
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Jan 13 2010, 09:49 AM
So by that logic, someone who has a single joint should be slammed with the same punishment as someone with a carload of weed?

If the person with one joint is doing nothing wrong then the person with a boatload isn't either.

It is just a larger amount of nothing wrong.

We have to work out and agree whether it is wrong.
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Sorry, Kenny. That's beyond stupid.
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Okie doike, then.
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Then someone who punches another should be the same as someone who breaks someone's arm.
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