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| A step towards legalizing pot in California | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 12 2010, 12:12 PM (686 Views) | |
| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 12:12 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/assembly-committee-oks-bill-to-legalize-marijuana.html Assembly committee OKs bill to legalize marijuana January 12, 2010 | 10:52 am A proposal to legalize and tax marijuana in California was approved by a key committee of the Assembly this morning, over the dire warnings of police chiefs and prosecutors. The Public Safety Committee voted 4-3 to approve AB 390 by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), who said the bill would provide tax revenue to the state and regulation of the drug. The new law includes a requirement that users be at least 21 years old. The measure next goes to the Health Committee, but proponents worried it would not be acted on by that panel by Friday's deadline, which would require the proposal to be reintroduced to be heard this year by the full Assembly. "The way it exists now is harming our youth,'' Ammiano said. "Drug dealers do not ask for ID. We need to regulate something that has gone chaotic, has resulted in carnage. I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea.'' Assemblyman Danny Gilmore (R-Hanford), a former CHP commander, said the $50 tax on each ounce of marijuana sold to pay for drug education and treatment is not worth the grief that will be caused by legalization. "We're going to legalize marijuana, we're going to tax it and then we're going to educate our kids about the harm of drugs. You've got to be kidding me,'' Gilmore said. "What's next? Are we going to legalize methamphetamines, cocaine?'' The measure was opposed in testimony today by several police chiefs and law enforcement officials including Bob Cooke, former president of the California Narcotics Officers Assn., who predicted it would lead to an increase in crime. "The mere consideration of an attempt to trade human misery for tax dollars smacks of the cynical throwing away of countless human beings,'' Cooke told the committee. It is estimated that the bill would generate $1.3 billion a year in taxes and marijuana cultivation fees. --Patrick McGreevy in Sacramento |
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 12:12 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I have mixed feelings about legalizing pot. It seems no more harmful than alcohol. Why not make some tax dollars from something people are buying anyway? Our prisons are overcrowded, this will reduce some of that burden too. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 12 2010, 12:14 PM Post #3 |
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I feel pretty groovy and far out about it. |
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| Mark | Jan 12 2010, 12:17 PM Post #4 |
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Go California! It's so incredibly stupid what we are currently doing in regard to drugs. |
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| JBryan | Jan 12 2010, 12:21 PM Post #5 |
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I remember in the old days when they told us that pot will make you want to rape and kill. I always responded that it did indeed make me want to rape and kill. Later, maybe. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| The 89th Key | Jan 12 2010, 12:26 PM Post #6 |
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Marijuana should most certainly be legal. Taxed, regulated, cigerette-style, all better than outlawing it....especially when booze is legal and FAR more dangerous IMO. JB -
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 12:30 PM Post #7 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You saw this film too? |
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| Quagmire | Jan 12 2010, 12:31 PM Post #8 |
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Senior Carp
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So whats the mixed part?
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 12 2010, 12:33 PM Post #9 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Leave it to the government to take the fun out of a thing. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 12:40 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Mind altering drugs, alcohol included, can be so groovy that you may be tempted to use them too much. |
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| JBryan | Jan 12 2010, 12:42 PM Post #11 |
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Is that stuff really true? |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Riley | Jan 12 2010, 12:43 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Alcohol is many, many times more harmful. |
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| John Galt | Jan 12 2010, 12:44 PM Post #13 |
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I can't think of As Kenny mentioned, on the "plus" side are the additional revenues to be had, along with reduced costs associated with fewer people jailed for possession. The opponents cite possible increases in crime and addiction, with their associated financial and other costs. Probably the same arguments that went on when Prohibition was repealed. Interesting. |
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| Quagmire | Jan 12 2010, 12:47 PM Post #14 |
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no argument there. abuse of anything can have negative consequences. But it seems that anyone who wants to use/abuse weed currently, is doing so. Its not hard to acquire at all. Is your position that legalizing it will increase its usage to a significantly larger population? It may, but it also may not. I think pretty much everyone has tried it. Those who like it, do it. Those who dont, dont. Those who abuse it, currently do so in spite of the laws. |
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| Mark | Jan 12 2010, 12:50 PM Post #15 |
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Opponents are not seeing the forest for the trees and seem to be unwilling to just let people live in freedom. If you remove the criminal aspect of drugs, crime will go down. Happened with prohibition and it will happen with other drugs. Just because Alcohol is legal doesn't mean you can legally fly a plane, drive a car, backhoe, etc... The same holds true for other drugs. |
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| Scoutie | Jan 12 2010, 12:57 PM Post #16 |
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I say legalize it! California needs the money and since nobody has the guts to raise taxes (or at least trash Prop. 13--the property tax change that put us on the road to ruin), it will be a much-needed source of income. I have no moral objection to weed; heck, we're all so heavily medicated as it is. I don't think pot is any better/worse than the drugs being touted on TV... |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 12 2010, 12:59 PM Post #17 |
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The best figure I can find is we spend $13.5 billion a year enforcing marijuana laws. Now that is not a whopping figure by government standards, but $13B here, $13B there and pretty soon we're talking about real money. Note: $13.5B is one half of the state of Ohio's annual budget. |
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| Jeff | Jan 12 2010, 02:59 PM Post #18 |
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I take back any bad stuff I said about California!! ![]() NJ just legalized medical pot (a restrictive bill, but a step forward). So this may be the start of a more rational national trend. |
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 03:12 PM Post #19 |
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I believe use will increase if it is legalized, sure. Pot being illegal is a deterrent to use for some, clearly not for others. Some of those who like it (but do not use it today because it is illegal) will use it. Will increased usage be good or bad overall? I have no idea.
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 03:19 PM Post #20 |
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Would you expect the price for pot to go up or down if legalized? |
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| Nobody's Sock | Jan 12 2010, 03:47 PM Post #21 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Now there's the question of the day! Good one Kenny. I've pondered this one myself. I know that the medical marijuana "collectives" pretty much rape their consumers compared to what one could get on the street. It will be interesting to see how much 7/11 will charge for a pack of joints. |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 12 2010, 04:47 PM Post #22 |
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I think it depends on taxes, somewhat, but I'd bet it will go up, initially. Phillip Morris and the others are paying attention, I'm sure. If they get on the bandwagon, it ought to drive the price down. |
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 04:51 PM Post #23 |
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Anyone care to guess what is the average cost now for, say, one joint? - I mean from what you've heard, of course, from your sister's, boyfriend's, neighbor's, brother's, plumber's, uncle, who smokes the stuff. |
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| kenny | Jan 12 2010, 05:01 PM Post #24 |
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I suspect the price will remain about what it is today. Remember when CDs came out in the 80s? Price was about $16, around double what a vinyl LP was. (QE and IT, numbers are approximate, and this does not change the gist of this post.) Everyone complained and companies said price will plummet as soon as they build more CD factories. Well they built more factories but prices really didn't come down. Why? Because once they found out what people would pay they all just charged that. |
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| CHAS | Jan 12 2010, 05:16 PM Post #25 |
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Middle Aged Carp
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Are we going to need a MAHD? Mothers Against High Driving? |
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