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I think I'm in love; (Prilosec OTC)
Topic Started: Jan 11 2010, 02:30 PM (507 Views)
ivorythumper
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 08:14 PM
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You are repeating yourself. Try something new.
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Well, I suppose a clinical psychologist would give you some credit for improvement over your past autistic pattern of response, so it is good to see you starting to interact again in more complex patterns.
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Well, I suppose a clinical psychologist would give you some credit for improvement over your past autistic pattern of response, so it is good to see you starting to interact again in more complex patterns.
Once again, I advise you to

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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 08:09 PM
Because, at the first discussion of generics vs. brand names, you brought up death panels. You didn't bring up insurance companies ... you didn't say that that's what happens already, right now
Nope, no I didn't. No more than you brought up Sarah Palin in that other thread. I struck it out, you see, so that makes it not a cheap shot, right? At least that's the standard you hold yourself to. You should give others the same consideration.

And you know what? It does happen already - you're right.

Guess who is the biggest denier of healthcare claims right now?

Aetna?

Blue Cross?

Nope - Medicare.

And if you think that's going to get better after a half a trillion dollars of cuts - well...
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you made it sound as if that was a function of the government health care reform system.
You're projecting (sorry, was that a personal attack? - it wasn't meant to be - really!).

Ah, maybe you're right. I may have intended that impression. But, right now, you have a choice as to what you pay for. In the future, you may not. As the spouse of someone who spends a lot, and I mean a lot of money on medications that are not on the "approved list" (you know, they're all the same) the prospect of medicare dictating what she will and will not be able to take - even if I pay for it - is frightening.
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Jan 11 2010, 08:17 PM
I've always been lucky when it comes to this. I can eat anything and never get heartburn. On the rare occasion that I do, a little baking soda mixed in water and a couple of big burps from that, and I'm good to go.

That's what my grandpa used to use, Larry!

I've had trouble with it since I was in my 20s. I use a bank of pillows for sleeping instead of the wedge, and I have the entire head of the bed raised. Hubby has the same trouble, so we both need it. It's his Prilosec I snagged. Guess I better buy some more now.

This runs in both our families. Hubby's dad died from cancer of the esophagus. He was only 59.
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Jan 11 2010, 08:20 PM
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This is really encouraging, Quirt. Pretty soon you might be able to overcome the unnecessary aggression and actually enter into constructive dialogue. :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Jan 11 2010, 08:21 PM

Guess who is the biggest denier of healthcare claims right now?

Aetna?

Blue Cross?

Nope - Medicare.

That's because there are more people covered under Medicare. I could just as easily say that Medicare spends more money on heart surgery, on cancer surgery, or on brain surgery than Aetna or Blue Cross, or that Medicare pays for more prescriptions each year than Aetna or Blue Cross. It would be equally true.

Do you have any statistics on percentages? Even that might not be meaningful, but it's certainly more meaningful than raw numbers.

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right now, you have a choice as to what you pay for. In the future, you may not.


Really? Can you show me a provision of the House or Senate bills that would take away your choice to pay more for something different? If you can't, then you might as well say that, "in the future, they'll be using Scotch for surgery anesthesia, and they'll be performing surgery with rusty butcher knives." Because it could happen.

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the prospect of medicare dictating what she will and will not be able to take - even if I pay for it - is frightening.


I agree wholeheartedly. However, I don't think it's a realistic fear. And you can't make public policy based on what people are afraid that you might do, someday, even if you have absolutely no intention of doing it.
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Anybody have side effects from the Prilosec?

Hubby just takes it for a couple days, then stops until he has another flare up at some later date. He has not had any side effects so far.
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brenda
Jan 11 2010, 08:36 PM
Anybody have side effects from the Prilosec?

Hubby just takes it for a couple days, then stops until he has another flare up at some later date. He has not had any side effects so far.
I take the generic omeprazole, and it works just fine for me.

Costco also sells the brand name Prilosec. It just costs more. And no one stops you from spending more for it. ;)
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Jan 11 2010, 08:38 PM
brenda
Jan 11 2010, 08:36 PM
Anybody have side effects from the Prilosec?

Hubby just takes it for a couple days, then stops until he has another flare up at some later date. He has not had any side effects so far.
I take the generic omeprazole, and it works just fine for me.

Costco also sells the brand name Prilosec. It just costs more. And no one stops you from spending more for it. ;)
I saw the Omeprazole, however that's pronounced. :lol2: Five reviewers at Costco's website like it. There are no Costco stores near here, but there are a number of other places that might have both. I'll be getting some tomorrow to make sure hubby does not run out of it. I'd feel guilty now if he did.
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apple
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whoa whoa whoa

you all need to change your diets

something is wrong
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 08:30 PM
That's because there are more people covered under Medicare. I could just as easily say that Medicare spends more money on heart surgery, on cancer surgery, or on brain surgery than Aetna or Blue Cross, or that Medicare pays for more prescriptions each year than Aetna or Blue Cross. It would be equally true.

Do you have any statistics on percentages?
Sure. http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/06/30/medicare-more-likely-to-deny-claims-than-commerical-health-insurers/
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“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.


From the AMA (you know, the guys that support the government plan).
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/reportcard.pdf
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Are those the percentages you're looking for? It's not raw data, it's not absolute number, it's percentages. Now, as I asked earlier, explain how that's going to be better after a half a trillion dollars of cuts and huge tax increases?
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Really? Can you show me a provision of the House or Senate bills that would take away your choice to pay more for something different?
No, I haven't read all 2000 pages (have you?). But, I know, for a fact, that at least one of the (very expensive) medications that Mrs. K is on right now is not covered by Medicare. Can you, with a straight face, convince me that it will be in the future? Because that's as likely as your Scotch analogy. You know, it could happen.

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apple
Jan 11 2010, 08:45 PM
whoa whoa whoa

you all need to change your diets

something is wrong
That's true for some folks, but for some it's how your esophagus connects to the stomach, whether that little flap between them closes well or not. If you have parents who give you the wrong genes, what cha gonna do? Mine was diagnosed when I was barely 20. That's not much more than a kid. I inherited it from my dad.

Hubby's great-aunt also died from cancer of the esophagus. Hubby's brother has had trouble and needed treatment. He takes meds for it, too.



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Jan 11 2010, 08:51 PM
QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 08:30 PM
That's because there are more people covered under Medicare. I could just as easily say that Medicare spends more money on heart surgery, on cancer surgery, or on brain surgery than Aetna or Blue Cross, or that Medicare pays for more prescriptions each year than Aetna or Blue Cross. It would be equally true.

Do you have any statistics on percentages?
Sure. http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/06/30/medicare-more-likely-to-deny-claims-than-commerical-health-insurers/
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“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.


From the AMA (you know, the guys that support the government plan).
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/368/reportcard.pdf
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Are those the percentages you're looking for? It's not raw data, it's not absolute number, it's percentages. Now, as I asked earlier, explain how that's going to be better after a half a trillion dollars of cuts and huge tax increases?
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Really? Can you show me a provision of the House or Senate bills that would take away your choice to pay more for something different?
No, I haven't read all 2000 pages (have you?). But, I know, for a fact, that at least one of the (very expensive) medications that Mrs. K is on right now is not covered by Medicare. Can you, with a straight face, convince me that it will be in the future? Because that's as likely as your Scotch analogy. You know, it could happen.

You said you might not be ALLOWED to buy it. Whether Medicare covers it or not isn't the question you started with, the question is whether you'd be ALLOWED to buy it.

You can't keep changing the question to get one that suits your purpose.

As I said before, the percentages might not be meaningful either, because of different populations, but they are certainly more meaningful than raw data. Thanks.
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If the government eventually crowds out private insurance, which is ultimately the intention I believe, the drugs it won't pay for won't be available in the marketplace if they are the least bit unusual.
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Jan 12 2010, 03:40 AM
If the government eventually crowds out private insurance, which is ultimately the intention I believe, the drugs it won't pay for won't be available in the marketplace if they are the least bit unusual.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that's the "intention".

I would think the intention is the somewhat more benign possibility that government health care is universally available, but people are allowed to supplement it ... at their own expense. That would still leave room for private insurance.

Much the way the public school system works today, where people are free, at their own expense, to go a private education route. A century or more of public education hasn't crowded out private education.
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Jan 12 2010, 03:40 AM
If the government eventually crowds out private insurance, which is ultimately the intention I believe, the drugs it won't pay for won't be available in the marketplace if they are the least bit unusual.
Won't people will still be able to travel to Canada for them?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Nope. We'll have shut down the border to prevent more white people coming into America.
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A couple of points:

1. Ranitidine - while not a proton pump inhibitor, it can be effective and it's cheaper than dirt. A month's prescription of generic 300mg tablets will cost you $4 at WallyWorld.

2. Medicare is a booger to file. The normal practice is to bundle patients on a filing. If charges on one patient are rejected, it kicks back that lot number. You either have to take that patient , correct it and re-file, or ix-nay that patient from that lot and file again. Either way, it's slow and the compensation for many things are less than the hospital's cost.
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Jan 12 2010, 07:39 AM
A couple of points:

1. Ranitidine - while not a proton pump inhibitor, it can be effective and it's cheaper than dirt. A month's prescription of generic 300mg tablets will cost you $4 at WallyWorld.

I used to use ranitidine (and I tried famotidine). Neither one worked for me as well, or as consistently, as omeprazole.

Of course, everyone is different, so YMMV.
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2. Medicare is a booger to file. The normal practice is to bundle patients on a filing. If charges on one patient are rejected, it kicks back that lot number. You either have to take that patient , correct it and re-file, or ix-nay that patient from that lot and file again. Either way, it's slow and the compensation for many things are less than the hospital's cost.
The Medicare paperwork ... you're exactly right on that. It's a huge PITA, and it's a waste of money and resources to make the administrative side of it so labor-intensive. This needs to be fixed as part of any health care reform process. I believe Jeff would categorize that as "cost containment".
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I've been trying Prilosec - doesn't do much for me. I did have a prescription for aciphex, and that worked like a charm. Will maybe try Jolly's suggestion and see if Ranitidine works for me.

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ii'm sorry Brenda.. i shouldn't have been so judgemental.

my son has had 'tummy esophogeal and intestinal issues for years (no fault of his own). we've tried every med and finally found a specialist who essentially said that if he wanted to control the 'issue' that diet worked better than any drug.... which we found to be true for the most part.

i'm such an opinionator

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ivorythumper
Jan 11 2010, 08:18 PM
Well, I suppose a clinical psychologist would give you some credit for improvement over your past autistic pattern of response, so it is good to see you starting to interact again in more complex patterns.
Too bad there's no drug out there that can cure you of being a dyspeptic blowhard.
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Jan 12 2010, 08:55 AM
ii'm sorry Brenda.. i shouldn't have been so judgemental.

my son has had 'tummy esophogeal and intestinal issues for years (no fault of his own). we've tried every med and finally found a specialist who essentially said that if he wanted to control the 'issue' that diet worked better than any drug.... which we found to be true for the most part.

i'm such an opinionator

It's OK, apple. I still think you are wonderful. :)

Lots of people are unaware of the problems that can cause acid reflux. That's why I was shocked (shocked, I tell you! :lol2: ) to have it at age 20. Doggone genetics!

So since hubby and I both have this defect, guess what daughter's odds are for it? She already has trouble, and she's only a teen. :no:
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