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I think I'm in love; (Prilosec OTC)
Topic Started: Jan 11 2010, 02:30 PM (506 Views)
brenda
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with Prilosec (OTC) for treating heart burn. I tried it for the first time last night. I've had bad heart burn for the last few weeks. It seems to be helping already, and will work even better in a couple days.

Anybody else here use it?
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My mom and brother use it. They don't have it in England, and he requests it everytime I visit. They both love it.
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I use it daily.

You're only supposed to use it for a single course of two weeks (I think) every three months. But, when I do that, the heartburn comes back.

I was discussing this with my allergist, of all people, and he said that he has to take it daily, every day, for it to work. He told me to discuss it with my internist. So I did, and she said, go ahead, we'll just have to be watchful.

Costco ... the all-wonderful Costco ... sells it very cheaply in generic.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 02:36 PM
I use it daily.

You're only supposed to use it for a single course of two weeks (I think) every three months. But, when I do that, the heartburn comes back.

I was discussing this with my allergist, of all people, and he said that he has to take it daily, every day, for it to work. He told me to discuss it with my internist. So I did, and she said, go ahead, we'll just have to be watchful.

Costco ... the all-wonderful Costco ... sells it very cheaply in generic.
Hubby uses it on an as-needed basis, not for the full two weeks as cited on the package. He takes it for three or four days and then stops. Have you tried that? I would rather go that route.
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Quirt, what side effects would you expect from long term use? I read about the possible effects from just short term use.
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brenda
Jan 11 2010, 02:51 PM
Quirt, what side effects would you expect from long term use? I read about the possible effects from just short term use.
All the doctor told me is that she might want to order a colonoscopy or an upper GI more frequently than normal, because acid can be a sign of something wrong and suppressing it suppresses the signal that something's wrong.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 03:19 PM
brenda
Jan 11 2010, 02:51 PM
Quirt, what side effects would you expect from long term use? I read about the possible effects from just short term use.
All the doctor told me is that she might want to order a colonoscopy or an upper GI more frequently than normal, because acid can be a sign of something wrong and suppressing it suppresses the signal that something's wrong.
Thanks, Quirt. Ya know, yer alright, very helpful and handy. :)
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I've been taking Prilosec (omeprazole) generic daily for almost three years. While I've never had much of a problem with heartburn, I do have esophageal rings where the esophagus joins the stomach (known as Schatzki rings) that makes swallowing food difficult when they become enlarged. Every couple of years I have to have my esophagus "stretched" to open up the rings. (That's always fun.) The last time I went in for the procedure the doc suggested that I start taking omeprazole every day. He said there is some evidence suggesting it might help, but nothing conclusive. In May it will be three years and I have absolutely no signs of difficulty in swallowing, so apparently it is effective.

Taking it long term appears to be safe, but I think if you want to discontinue use it must be done gradually.

So, I'm in love with it too, Brenda!
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I have been taking Prilosec for about three years also. It started helping with the first pill. If I quit taking it after three days the heartburn comes back. I have tried omeprazole, and use it once in awhile, but prefer Prilosec. I started taking it at the recommendation of a doctor and they said not to worry about taking it for a long time, any problems that could come up wouldn't be as bad as constant acid reflux.

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lb1
Jan 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I have tried omeprazole, and use it once in awhile, but prefer Prilosec.
But...but...they're all the same, don't you know? The government death drug panel will allow you only the cheapest drug. There's no difference. Trust me, I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
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Jan 11 2010, 06:59 PM
lb1
Jan 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I have tried omeprazole, and use it once in awhile, but prefer Prilosec.
But...but...they're all the same, don't you know? The government death drug panel will allow you only the cheapest drug. There's no difference. Trust me, I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
Does your insurance company today ... or yesterday, or last year ... charge you the same co-pay for a generic and a brand name drug?

They don't? Really?

How surprising. I was sure it was just the death panels that would discriminate like that.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jan 11 2010, 06:59 PM
lb1
Jan 11 2010, 06:52 PM
I have tried omeprazole, and use it once in awhile, but prefer Prilosec.
But...but...they're all the same, don't you know? The government death drug panel Carol will allow you only the cheapest drug. There's no difference. Trust me, I'm from the government, I'm here to help you.
FIFY

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My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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Oh yes, Prilosec. I posted a rant on this about a year ago (to mixed response).

The history is that Prilosec used to be prescription only, and cost $200 a bottle. Then the patent ran out, and it went generic real cheap, and subsequently, over the counter. Oh poor AstraZeneca (mfg), cant exploit insurance for obscene piles of cash anymore :weeping:

So they went into the lab, tweaked the molecule a little bit, not to disrupt its action/effectiveness, but just to make something molecularly different enough to claim new patent. And presto, they have Nexium. Back to $200 per refill cash cow. Same company, same base molecule, same bio-action, accomplishes the same goal, with the same chemical mechanism. But now they can charge out the wazoo again. :no:

I was on nexium for a few years. It was a dream. I had horrible acid reflux daily. So bad, that I would frequently wake up at night choking on stomach acid. A very unnerving experience. I was sure that was the way I was gonna go. But nexium (prilosec + fluff) cleared it right up.

Interestingly, once I started getting serious about nutrition, the reflux went away by itself. I really dont even avoid all that much of what I used to eat. My take is that now that I'm properly supplying sufficient nutrients, my body can take care of business on its own just fine.

I do keep some of the generic omeprazole around, for the infrequent errant flare ups. Works like a charm.
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 07:01 PM
Does your insurance company today ... or yesterday, or last year ... charge you the same co-pay for a generic and a brand name drug?

They don't? Really?

How surprising. I was sure it was just the death panels that would discriminate like that.
Didn't we have a discussion about a month ago in which I pointed out (referencing your article) about how generics are not always the same as name brand. Didn't I point out how there was a major problem with thyroid replacement drugs (Synthroid vs. generic) that affected my wife (and me, by the way)?

I thought so.

Yep, I pay more for the real thing because it works better.

How surprising. People assume that one thing is the same as another, because the government insurance company manufacturer told you that it is.

lb pointed out, as I did in the original thread, referencing Synthroid, that his response to Prilosec is different from the generic. Of course, the government drug panels insurance companies don't see it that way. I see a difference in a lot of drugs that I use on my patients (generic vs. brand). Of course, it doesn't matter most of the time, but sometimes, when it's a matter of life and death, it does.

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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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Jan 11 2010, 07:10 PM
QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 07:01 PM
Does your insurance company today ... or yesterday, or last year ... charge you the same co-pay for a generic and a brand name drug?

They don't? Really?

How surprising. I was sure it was just the death panels that would discriminate like that.
Didn't we have a discussion about a month ago in which I pointed out (referencing your article) about how generics are not always the same as name brand. Didn't I point out how there was a major problem with thyroid replacement drugs (Synthroid vs. generic) that affected my wife (and me, by the way)?

I thought so.

Yep, I pay more for the real thing because it works better.

How surprising. People assume that one thing is the same as another, because the government insurance company manufacturer told you that it is.

lb pointed out, as I did in the original thread, referencing Synthroid, that his response to Prilosec is different from the generic. Of course, the government drug panels insurance companies don't see it that way. I see a difference in a lot of drugs that I use on my patients (generic vs. brand). Of course, it doesn't matter most of the time, but sometimes, when it's a matter of life and death, it does.

You're either missing or ignoring the point.

The people in charge discriminate between generics and brand names today. If you want a brand name, you have to pay more.

So why do you need to use this subject to take a cheap shot at health care reform, when EXACTLY THE SAME THING happens today, under the insurance company regime that you defend so strenuously?
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jan 11 2010, 07:10 PM

lb pointed out, as I did in the original thread, referencing Synthroid,
Ooo! What was said about Synthroid? I'm on the generic, levothyroxine sodium. Link to the thread please?
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Quag, I had a similar experience with better nutrition and a wedge pillow. I seldom took anything but Tums or the occasional Zantac, but I can't recall anything I ever ate that I liked enough to taste it again from the inside.
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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2010, 07:12 PM
You're either missing or ignoring the point.

The people in charge discriminate between generics and brand names today. If you want a brand name, you have to pay more.

So why do you need to use this subject to take a cheap shot at health care reform, when EXACTLY THE SAME THING happens today, under the insurance company regime that you defend so strenuously?
I am missing or ignoring nothing.

(oh, and, for the record, we can call that a personal attack as well, no different from "spinning so fast..." or "thread direction" - you accused me of being either ignorant or obtuse)

Now, having put that aside, let me address your insults comments one at a time.

1) Yes you're right, the people "in charge" discriminate between generics and brand names. Yes, you have to pay more for brand. You're right. Show me where I said that they don't. What I pointed out (and you did in your original thread) is that there is frequently a difference between the two.

2) Show me where I defended the insurance company "regime" - ever.

You can't....

...because I haven't.

3) You use your favorite term (cheap shot) when you are as guilty as anyone. I have not taken a cheap shot "at health care reform," contrary to what you believe. I pointed out, accurately, I might add, that we now have two people who have different responses to generic vs. brand name drugs.

4) The system is broken (as I have said, by the way, regardless of what you accuse me of thinking), and my point (which you either miss or ignore) is that if you think the government's intervention is going to be better, you're in for a very very serious surprise.
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
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Good luck getting him to agree that you were correct to begin with, George.
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Jan 11 2010, 07:24 PM
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Jan 11 2010, 07:12 PM
You're either missing or ignoring the point.

The people in charge discriminate between generics and brand names today. If you want a brand name, you have to pay more.

So why do you need to use this subject to take a cheap shot at health care reform, when EXACTLY THE SAME THING happens today, under the insurance company regime that you defend so strenuously?
I am missing or ignoring nothing.

(oh, and, for the record, we can call that a personal attack as well, no different from "spinning so fast..." or "thread direction" - you accused me of being either ignorant or obtuse)

Now, having put that aside, let me address your insults comments one at a time.

1) Yes you're right, the people "in charge" discriminate between generics and brand names. Yes, you have to pay more for brand. You're right. Show me where I said that they don't. What I pointed out (and you did in your original thread) is that there is frequently a difference between the two.

2) Show me where I defended the insurance company "regime" - ever.

You can't....

...because I haven't.

3) You use your favorite term (cheap shot) when you are as guilty as anyone. I have not taken a cheap shot "at health care reform," contrary to what you believe. I pointed out, accurately, I might add, that we now have two people who have different responses to generic vs. brand name drugs.

4) The system is broken (as I have said, by the way, regardless of what you accuse me of thinking), and my point (which you either miss or ignore) is that if you think the government's intervention is going to be better, you're in for a very very serious surprise.
It was still a cheap shot, and you damn well know it.

Because, at the first discussion of generics vs. brand names, you brought up death panels. You didn't bring up insurance companies ... you didn't say that that's what happens already, right now ... no, instead you made it sound as if that was a function of the government health care reform system. You made it sound as if it would be something brand new, under the health care legislation. You can distort the truth by omission, and that's exactly what you did.

Now, you claim you're not defending the current system. You certainly sound as if you are ... because you are consistently negative about health care reform. The alternative is the system that we have now. So, if you're taking shots at health care reform, you know you are implicitly supporting the current system, because those are the only two choices. Indeed, you just did it again, right here:

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my point (which you either miss or ignore) is that if you think the government's intervention is going to be better, you're in for a very very serious surprise.


The only reasonable way to read what you've written, in this thread and elsewhere, is that the current system may be imperfect, or even bad, but it's better than the proposed health care reform.

As far as generics vs. brand names goes, that's a reasonable discussion. But there was no reason, none at all, to bring health care reform into that discussion ... because that's one aspect of the health care system that will not change whether health care reform passes or fails.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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No really.

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I've always been lucky when it comes to this. I can eat anything and never get heartburn. On the rare occasion that I do, a little baking soda mixed in water and a couple of big burps from that, and I'm good to go.

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