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| Has Obama's Presidency Already Failed? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2010, 10:46 PM (707 Views) | |
| JoeB | Jan 10 2010, 10:46 PM Post #1 |
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American Thinker My take is that, while Obama's presidency may be trending strongly towards failure, it is still too soon to tell for sure. |
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| Klaus | Jan 11 2010, 01:35 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I doubt that there is an objective notion of "failed presidency". Some people like what he does, others don't. Everybody measures success in a different way. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 11 2010, 02:44 AM Post #3 |
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I don't think I have seen another president where you could see how it was aging him in the first year alone. I guess you have to factor in that he has had a very ambitious first year agenda, and a lot of inherited woe. |
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| George K | Jan 11 2010, 04:01 AM Post #4 |
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Finally
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When you've lost Maureen Dowd... |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 11 2010, 04:17 AM Post #5 |
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Never mind Dowd - it's almost unthinkable for 'American Thinker' to write him off like this. |
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| jon-nyc | Jan 11 2010, 04:34 AM Post #6 |
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Cheers
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Yeah, I wonder what their best-selling celebrity author thinks. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 11 2010, 04:52 AM Post #7 |
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Free fall? They've fallen substantially, but I thought his poll numbers had pretty well stabilized. Part of the reason his poll numbers are as low as they are is because he isn't pandering to the left as much as the left thought he would, and they're pissed about it. |
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| JBryan | Jan 11 2010, 05:05 AM Post #8 |
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Independents is the group with which he has lost the most ground and it was his leftward lurch after pretending to be a centrist during the election that more likely lost them than not pandering to the left. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 11 2010, 06:40 AM Post #9 |
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You should read what liberals have to say sometime, JB. They're pissed. Personally, I think that describing him as a failure is a Republican tactic. It's a question of perception, not reality, and the perception becomes the reality. If the Republicans can foster the perception that he's failed, then he will have failed. So, it's in their interests to foster that perception. I think it started the day he was inaugurated, if not earlier. Do you remember when the "Impeach Obama" movement started? I think it was within a week of Election Day. Those people perceived his Presidency as a failure months before he took office. There is nothing he could have done that would have led them to think otherwise. And perception becomes reality. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Jan 11 2010, 06:50 AM Post #10 |
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I think the much simpler explanation is that a whole lot of centrist leaning Americans who voted for him are looking at what he has been doing since elected and are saying, "This is not what I voted for". The far left may be pissed at him because they are uncompromising in there disdain for the war and all it entails and also uncompromising in their desire for a public option in health care reform but who else are they going to support? Obama hoodwinked a lot of Independents and, frankly, politically disconnnected Americans that he was something new and different and not the lefty hack machine politician people were warning he was. They are now asking themselves if those people were not right all along. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Copper | Jan 11 2010, 06:56 AM Post #11 |
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Shortstop
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No matter what else may happen Mr. Obama will always be known as the first dark-skinned president. In that regard he is already a huge success. The rest is just filler. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 11 2010, 07:00 AM Post #12 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I think most of that analysis is right. However, I don't think he's been as leftist as he's being portrayed. I also don't think that people had realistic expectations (maybe, in large part, fostered by him) as to what he'd be able to accomplish in the short term. I still don't think he can labelled a failure yet, though, and I don't think his poll numbers are in free fall. He's nowhere near Bush territory yet. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| JBryan | Jan 11 2010, 07:07 AM Post #13 |
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I am the grey one
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I would agree that labeling his presidency as failed is more than a bit premature. I think what we are seeing mostly is buyer's remorse from left and center. Time will tell whether he can reverse that. |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 11 2010, 07:20 AM Post #14 |
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In reality, it's pretty difficult to accurately evaluate the success of a Presidency until quite a while after it's over. There needs to be time for the dust to settle, and emotions evaporate. On what basis is the American Thinker making the claim that Woodrow Wilson's presidency was such a spectacular failure? They make the claim, but provide no supporting arguments, presumably since they overlooked the fact for us non-American non-thinkers that it might not be enormously obvious how the guy who helped end WW1 and introduce Women's suffrage was such a loser. I guess it's possible they consider those to be bad things. |
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| Larry | Jan 11 2010, 08:50 AM Post #15 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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At this point in his presidency his poll numbers are the worst of any president in history, including Jimmy Carter. I said when he was elected he'd not make it a year, and I was right.. |
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| bachophile | Jan 11 2010, 08:54 AM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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overblown expectations ill stick with the premise that presidential policy is dictated by realpolitik and not by campaign promises. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jan 11 2010, 09:01 AM Post #17 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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People are still saying you can't judge Bush's presidency yet because we haven't yet fully seen the ramifications. Judging Obama's first quarter of his tenure is a little bit premature, especially if you consider just how long it takes for any lasting changes to take effect. I don't like the guy but calling his presidency already "failed" is worthless. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 11 2010, 09:53 AM Post #18 |
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In any event, all presidencies are a mixed bag of successes and failures. His will be no different in that respect. |
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| Renauda | Jan 11 2010, 10:39 AM Post #19 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| Mark | Jan 11 2010, 11:21 AM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The American People FAILED when they elected the idiot. |
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| Jeff | Jan 11 2010, 03:53 PM Post #21 |
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+1 I wonder if Pelosi intended to destroy his presidency? Edited by Jeff, Jan 11 2010, 03:55 PM.
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| Jeff | Jan 11 2010, 03:54 PM Post #22 |
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+2 |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 11 2010, 04:05 PM Post #23 |
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It has not failed. We still have a constitutional government and a functioning executive branch. As much as I am disgusted with Obie and his crew -- virtually his entire WH staff and cabinet and particularly all those bullsh!t "czars" he appointed -- it is still functioning if poorly. It won't have failed until he declares martial law, or some other such desperate action. |
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| lb1 | Jan 11 2010, 06:57 PM Post #24 |
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Isn't that the same time period that he was nominated for the Nobel? lb |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 11 2010, 07:10 PM Post #25 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I seem to recall the conservative cabal saying that he hadn't done anything to deserve it, at the time he was nominated. So, presumably, at that time, he hadn't done anything to warrant impeachment either. Right? |
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