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| The Passionate Followers of the Religion of Peace; strike again | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2010, 07:38 AM (985 Views) | |
| ivorythumper | Jan 10 2010, 04:46 PM Post #51 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Sorry. Another of those TNCR memes I missed. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 10 2010, 04:54 PM Post #52 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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This fundamentalist impulse has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human nature. The same impulse is found among environmentalist, evangelical atheists, materialists, gay rights advocates, anti and pro abortionists, socialists and fascists and liberals and conservatives. It is silly to claim it is somehow derivative of a monotheistic world view. |
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| Renauda | Jan 10 2010, 04:58 PM Post #53 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I and, I would imagine Piano*Dad, were well aware of that, but all the same, thank you for sharing the obvious. |
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| Piano*Dad | Jan 10 2010, 05:02 PM Post #54 |
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Bull-Carp
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| Axtremus | Jan 10 2010, 05:09 PM Post #55 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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BTW, it's strategically untenable and tactically stupid to "fight" Islam as one entity. There are, like, a billion Muslims. None of us (ok, may be except Larry) want to eliminate a billion people. It may be true these days that "most" terrorists are professed Muslims, but it's undoubtedly true that "most" professed Muslims are not terrorists. There are sects and tribal fault lines among professed Muslims. Sunni vs. Shiite vs. Wahabi and what not ... and, yes, there are modern, peaceful, moderate Muslims. I would even claim that the majority of professed Muslims are "moderates" rather than "extremists" or "fundamentalists." Purely from a utilitarian stand point, slamming Islam as a whole would simply encourage the unity of all those different sects and tribes, turn off the moderates, and unite a billion of them against you. Punishing a whole group for the sin of a few is also ethically problematic. The smart and moral strategy would be to separate out the extremist elements and fight those (not just in action, but also in words and in rhetoric); befriend and empower the moderates to fight on your side. (That's why it's right and smart for Bush 43 to acknowledge Islam as a religion of peace right after 9/11, that's why it's right and smart for Obama 44 to restate the same thing after he became President.) |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 10 2010, 05:41 PM Post #56 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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And that is exactly what we have been doing in both Iraq and Afghanistan. But I would dispute that we need only be concerned with those who actively commit violence. Islam still includes a barbaric, aggressive and misogynistic attitude abhorrent to our way of life. Perhaps the greater threat to Western civilization is burgeoning Muslim population of Europe and the continual appeasement of their unreasonable demands. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| George K | Jan 10 2010, 05:45 PM Post #57 |
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Finally
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I hate it when you hold back.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 10 2010, 05:51 PM Post #58 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I am sure there are many Muslims - and I have met many fine folks of that faith - who do not ahdere to those tenets. But I think there are a whole lot who do. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Axtremus | Jan 10 2010, 05:54 PM Post #59 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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More attacks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8450713.stm Local leadership reactions: http://www.mysinchew.com/node/33701 |
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| George K | Jan 10 2010, 05:55 PM Post #60 |
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If I had a nickel for every surgeon named "Mohammed" I work with, I could retire. To a man, they're all wonderful, kind, and friendly. But...we don't discuss religion or politics. I wonder how deeply the Mohammeden anger is seated in many of these people. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 10 2010, 06:02 PM Post #61 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I still find their condemnations of evil acts unconvincing, and posessing an undercurrent of refusal to condemn the acts of other Muslims. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Jan 10 2010, 06:05 PM Post #62 |
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Shortstop
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Kind of the way George Wallace used to condemn the KKK. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| John D'Oh | Jan 11 2010, 07:40 AM Post #63 |
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MAMIL
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The fact that they cut people open for a living probably gives you some indication. I would have been a top surgeon, incidentally, except I was let down by the fact that I'm just too nice. Also, I didn't want to have to work weekends. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| lb1 | Jan 11 2010, 07:48 AM Post #64 |
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Fulla-Carp
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+1, in a nutshell. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 11 2010, 08:01 AM Post #65 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Piano*Dad | Jan 11 2010, 08:12 AM Post #66 |
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Bull-Carp
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Thanks John, I needed my morning chuckle! |
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| Renauda | Jan 11 2010, 08:33 AM Post #67 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Western Christianity had something to reform- the Church. Islam has nothing resembling the Church to reform. |
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| big al | Feb 1 2010, 04:05 PM Post #68 |
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Bull-Carp
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I purchased The Battle for God about a year ago, I think at the recommendation of someone here at TNCR, and read it recently. It contributed to my understanding of some of the confluences and conflicts between religions and societies both earlier and and in current times. I wanted to thank whoever initially recommended it to me and extend that recommendation to others. Big Al |
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Location: Western PA "jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen." -bachophile | |
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| Renauda | Feb 1 2010, 04:15 PM Post #69 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/single/?p=8158114&t=7083700 You're welcome. |
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