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| bachophile | Dec 30 2009, 08:29 PM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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full disclosure.... my daughter after finishing her army service in intelligence, is now working at the airport as a security agent, questioning passengers at check in. (part time job until she finsihes her school applications). http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/ admittedly the comment about ben gurion being smaller then most large international hubs and amounts to a "busy regional airport" is well taken, but thats not the point.... israel profiles in the airport. absolutely and they dont hide it. is it racist or is it a necessary evil in todays world? btw, daughter (who is a flaming leftist in politics) swears that mr hot underpants, would have been caught easily in ben gurion, without connection to profiling from his name, appearance or nigerian backround, just by technical devices, although she didnt and wont elaborate. Edited by bachophile, Dec 30 2009, 08:32 PM.
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| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| blondie | Dec 31 2009, 04:47 AM Post #2 |
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Bull-Carp
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I suspect your dughter is highly educated Bach, quite able to use common sense, to induce-deduce, to think critically during her respectful communications with/ analyses of others. In the U.S. it's more of a game of chance. I'm just grateful if I chance upon a security person who speaks English clearly, uses proper grammar, who maintains eye contact with me, who communicates respect and concern instead of shouting orders and demands. |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 31 2009, 05:50 AM Post #3 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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To not profile in these instances is simply political correctness gone mad. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 31 2009, 05:58 AM Post #4 |
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MAMIL
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Having travelled with someone of Iranian descent, and a Greek gentleman who looked suspiciously Arabic, my opinion is that they're already unofficially profiling. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 31 2009, 06:05 AM Post #5 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Sadly, I have to agree. I don't like profiling, as a rule. But, where safety is in question, you do what the math tells you to do. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 31 2009, 06:15 AM Post #6 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I would also disagree that they are doing any profiling, at least on any organized basis. I was going through security and ahead of me was a clearly Middle Eastern/Iraqi/Iranian type fellow with a laptop, acting very nervous and sketchy. He didn't seem to know how to navigate the security at all, and was going back and forth nervously. Then, when he got through after me, he left his laptop there. They called him back, gave it to him and he went on unquestioned. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Copper | Dec 31 2009, 07:33 AM Post #7 |
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Shortstop
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Profiling works for me. I'm starting to look like a harmless old man. I can use that to some advantage, security types usually don't hassle me. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Dec 31 2009, 08:05 AM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I think the scales are tipping (civil libertes vs. intrusions for safe air travel). I am not excited about those body scanners. That would bother me, as a woman. I would be annoyed if I had to go through one to travel. But I am one of the few who have not posted any compromising videos of myself on the internet. I am modest. A dog is more acceptable to me -- one who can walk in the vicinity and sniff explosives. Train more dogs, I say. Start with that Snarky dog. The airline industry needs more information on its passengers. It's complicated. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Kincaid | Dec 31 2009, 08:36 AM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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The full body scanners are not that intrusive - a person looks like a computer generated terrain map in one of those things. But I agree on the bomb-sniffing dogs comment. Bring 'em on. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Dec 31 2009, 08:51 AM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I saw a special on CNN on the new generation body scanners. They are less intrusive but they generated far from generic images. I would still get my feathers in a ruffle going through those. I am not an old woman, but as a mother with children I could use more help getting everyone's shoes back on and laced than a full body scan. Just sayin'. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 31 2009, 09:13 AM Post #11 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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I am against profiling people of middle eastern descent. I think everyone who looks anything but mid western Caucasian from should be strip searched. |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| Free Rider | Dec 31 2009, 09:16 AM Post #12 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Body cavities as well, I assume? |
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| ivorythumper | Dec 31 2009, 09:21 AM Post #13 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Yeah, if you want to -- but unless you are willing to grow a beard, dye your hair black, and wear a thawb you'll have to pay extra for that.
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| Free Rider | Dec 31 2009, 09:21 AM Post #14 |
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Fulla-Carp
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| ivorythumper | Dec 31 2009, 09:24 AM Post #15 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Happy New Year, FR! |
| The dogma lives loudly within me. | |
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| lb1 | Dec 31 2009, 09:31 AM Post #16 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Then you aren't a guy with a 2" pecker, you can imagine the laughs that would get.
I was in international baggage claim at the Detroit airport awhile back and a security person walked by with a dog that sniffed my carry-on bag. When the dog started acting crazy she asked me if I had oranges in the bag. I replied that I did have a couple oranges in the bag but I ate them on the flight. She check my bag and told me that she could tell by the way the dog acted what was in the bag. Pretty smart dog and handler IMO. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| lb1 | Dec 31 2009, 09:32 AM Post #17 |
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Fulla-Carp
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+1, enjoy the kids. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Free Rider | Dec 31 2009, 09:37 AM Post #18 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Same to you guys! lb I enjoyed the pics of your family, your oldest son looks like he could rip a tree in half. IT I hope MS is healing up, you must be getting good at being her personal assistant! I hope you two ring in the new year together. |
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| lb1 | Dec 31 2009, 10:43 AM Post #19 |
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Fulla-Carp
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I don't know if he can rip a tree in half, but you ought to see him with a splitting maul. ![]() Both sons enjoy picking me up and putting me over their Head. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Free Rider | Dec 31 2009, 11:19 AM Post #20 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Not to totally derail this thread, but that's great, lb! I just hope that they put you down gently. |
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| George K | Jan 1 2010, 03:23 PM Post #21 |
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Finally
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What Can Israel Teach the U.S. About Airport Security?
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 1 2010, 03:56 PM Post #22 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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There's no reason this cannot, and should not, work in the U.S. Just establish some sort of voluntary national ID. To get it, you have to go through a very detailed background check. Once you have it, though, you get a national ID card with your fingerprints, retinal scan, etc. recorded, and you are eligible for expedited review at airports and the like. I imagine the ACLU would go spinning into orbit about that, but there's no reason it can't work, if it's voluntary. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 1 2010, 04:05 PM Post #23 |
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Finally
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Quirt, would you be as enthusiastic if it were not voluntary? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 1 2010, 04:06 PM Post #24 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I've said, on this board, for many years, that I support a national ID card. I'd probably be less enthusiastic about an intrusive background check if it wasn't voluntary. Not necessarily opposed, but less enthusiastic. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| George K | Jan 1 2010, 04:13 PM Post #25 |
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That's what I was getting to. You were pretty explicit in your post in this thread: I know that you support a national ID. I was wondering if that support still exists if it were mandatory (and |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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