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This local story is now national news; neighborhood associations are ridiculous
Topic Started: Dec 3 2009, 10:34 AM (1,252 Views)
Axtremus
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HOLY CARP!!!
It's quite refreshing for all the major news outlet to take attention off unemployment, healthcare reform, financial regulation reform, Afghanistan, environmental regulation reform, and state/local government budget crises to talk about HOA vs. flagpole. Keep it up! :thumb:
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Mark
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HOLY CARP!!!
I think it should be illegal to make flag poles illegal.

Constitutional Amendment anyone? :D
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QuantumIvory
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kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
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QuirtEvans
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QuantumIvory
Dec 3 2009, 07:44 PM
kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
I don't have a lot of sympathy for them either.

However, in the sub-prime context, at least you have lying scum on the other side of the transaction. There's no allegation that anyone was misled here, or didn't understand the rules.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
Axtremus
Dec 3 2009, 06:21 PM
It's quite refreshing for all the major news outlet to take attention off unemployment, healthcare reform, financial regulation reform, Afghanistan, environmental regulation reform, and state/local government budget crises to talk about HOA vs. flagpole. Keep it up! :thumb:
I dunno, this one involves some pretty basic rights and an awful lot of what constitutes the American psyche.

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Copper
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QuirtEvans
Dec 3 2009, 07:47 PM
QuantumIvory
Dec 3 2009, 07:44 PM
kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
I don't have a lot of sympathy for them either.

However, in the sub-prime context, at least you have lying scum on the other side of the transaction. There's no allegation that anyone was misled here, or didn't understand the rules.

In my experience there are a bunch of lying misleading scum involved with HOAs.

The real estate agent definitely didn't make it clear to me the kind of tactics that would be used by the HOA.

Many years ago I lived with an HOA and I watched them torture people.

I had a neighbor that built a 5x5 brick patio outside his back door. It was a nice little red brick patio in a neighborhood of 1/2 acre lots. His lot had an approved fence. You had to stand on your toes and look over the back fence to even get a glimpse of the patio. The HOA put a lien on his house because he didn't get permission.

I wonder how many real estate agents pass on information like that.
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QuirtEvans
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Copper
Dec 3 2009, 07:57 PM
QuirtEvans
Dec 3 2009, 07:47 PM
QuantumIvory
Dec 3 2009, 07:44 PM
kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
I don't have a lot of sympathy for them either.

However, in the sub-prime context, at least you have lying scum on the other side of the transaction. There's no allegation that anyone was misled here, or didn't understand the rules.

In my experience there are a bunch of lying misleading scum involved with HOAs.

The real estate agent definitely didn't make it clear to me the kind of tactics that would be used by the HOA.

Many years ago I lived with an HOA and I watched them torture people.

I had a neighbor that built a 5x5 brick patio outside his back door. It was a nice little red brick patio in a neighborhood of 1/2 acre lots. His lot had an approved fence. You had to stand on your toes and look over the back fence to even get a glimpse of the patio. The HOA put a lien on his house because he didn't get permission.

I wonder how many real estate agents pass on information like that.
Around here, you're given a copy of the HOA rules before you close.

If you don't read them or think about what could happen, you have no one to blame but yourself.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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George K
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QuirtEvans
Dec 3 2009, 08:03 PM
Around here, you're given a copy of the HOA rules before you close.

If you don't read them or think about what could happen, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Kincaid
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Copper
Dec 3 2009, 07:57 PM
In my experience there are a bunch of lying misleading scum involved with HOAs.
:lol2:

That's kind of funny, seeing as I think only Mik and I are on the board of an HOA.
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kenny
HOLY CARP!!!
QuantumIvory
Dec 3 2009, 07:44 PM
kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
Yep.

Contract101.

1. Read
2. Understand
3. Think
4. Sign or don't

No sympathy
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Kincaid
Dec 3 2009, 10:57 PM
Copper
Dec 3 2009, 07:57 PM
In my experience there are a bunch of lying misleading scum involved with HOAs.
:lol2:

That's kind of funny, seeing as I think only Mik and I are on the board of an HOA.
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kenny
Dec 3 2009, 11:01 PM
QuantumIvory
Dec 3 2009, 07:44 PM
kenny
Dec 3 2009, 05:09 PM
Don't people read the papers they sign?
No sympathy here.
You mean like all those subprime borrowers that signed adjustable rate mortgages?
Yep.

Contract101.

1. Read
2. Understand
3. Sign or don't

No sympathy
That is kind of simplistic. Standards of enforcement and interpretation of terms change with different boards and different committees.

I decided if I was going to continue living in an HOA I would get into office so that I would have a major voice in deciding how the rules were interpreted for me. ;)
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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QuirtEvans
Dec 3 2009, 10:58 AM
Larry
Dec 3 2009, 10:35 AM
I'd fly it, and tell the to go get screwed.

You'd get fined, you'd refuse to pay the fine, and then you'd have a lien placed on your property. If you ever wanted to sell, you'd have to clear the lien first.

Or you'd sue them, or they'd sue you. But, either way, you'd lose. Because you knew the rules before you moved in, even if you didn't pay attention.
When I lived in Atlanta my house was in a ritzy-ditzy subdivision full of multi-million dollar homes and snooty assholes. (we were the only nice ones...... :D ) They had a HOA too. They told me I couldn't park one of my trucks in my driveway.

I told them to go get f*cked.

I parked my damned truck where I wanted.

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plays88keys
Dec 3 2009, 11:49 AM
Kincaid
Dec 3 2009, 10:59 AM
If Claude Ball moved in next door you'd wish you had an HOA.
Claude Ball couldn't afford my neighborhood.
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ivorythumper
Dec 3 2009, 11:05 PM
Kincaid
Dec 3 2009, 10:57 PM
Copper
Dec 3 2009, 07:57 PM
In my experience there are a bunch of lying misleading scum involved with HOAs.
:lol2:

That's kind of funny, seeing as I think only Mik and I are on the board of an HOA.
:wave: Don't forget me.
I had no idea we were such scumbags. You learn something new every day I guess. :lol2:
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Luke's Dad
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Sorry Mik, Kincaid, and IT. While I agree that there are some very nice practical reasons for living in an area with a (an?) HOA (and I love the idea of those HOA's that do sex offender checks), something about the very nature of HOA's just curdles my blood. As long as I stay within civic ordinances, then I will do with my property what I damn well want.

I know, the answer then is to not move into an area that does not have an HOA. The problem is that it is harder and harder to do that these days.

What would happen if you were negotiating for the purchase of a house, didn't want to be a member of the HOA, and so agreed to pay whatever fine the owner would be hit with for selling to somebody that wasn't a member? Is that even possible, or is the HOA required to sign off on a deed or something?

Of course, IT is probably right about one thing. If you have to live in a community with one, be as active in it as you possibly can, to at least have some say in the direction it goes.
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I remember a guy who lived in an area where there were approved colors to paint his house or maybe there were certain colors you couldn't paint it, I don't remember. Anyway, he ended up painting his house with yellow curb paint just to piss them off.
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No offense taken, LD. I've had my own horror stories here with the HOA Gestapo. That is why I am on the board - to prevent that sort of thing from occurring to others. A little groveling and nice words about the Bengals and all will be forgiven you.

The HOA membership is part of the deed. You buyz da property, you joinz da association.

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John Galt
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Some people live in unincorporated areas because they want minimum zoning restrictions.

Others are comfortable with being in a municipality that has rules about how many animals you can have in your home or how far away to build from a lot line.

Still others want the comfort of knowing their neighbor can't decorate with silk geraniums in the back yard.

No right or wrong choices here, just different strokes for different folks. Once you buy in, you need to play by the rules in place. And get involved in decision making if you don't like the rules.

Isn't that they way it's supposed to work?
Let us begin anew, remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness.
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Here's the way many people want it to work, and they want BOTH parts of this:

1) Don't tell me what I can or can't do with my property. I'm an intelligent person with good ideas. I have every right to do what I want with it, especially since I paid for it. If you interfere, I will sue.

2) Don't you dare let my dumb neighbor do that stupid thing with his property. He's an idiot and has no brains, much less any taste. He has no right to do that next to my property, especially since it will devalue mine. If you allow it, I will sue.

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Dec 4 2009, 07:08 AM
1) Don't tell me what I can or can't do with my property. I'm an intelligent person with good ideas. I have every right to do what I want with it, especially since I paid for it. If you interfere, I will sue.

2) Don't you dare let my dumb neighbor do that stupid thing with his property. He's an idiot and has no brains, much less any taste. He has no right to do that next to my property, especially since it will devalue mine. If you allow it, I will sue.

Man, it's like you read my mind.
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Dec 4 2009, 07:11 AM
brenda
Dec 4 2009, 07:08 AM
1) Don't tell me what I can or can't do with my property. I'm an intelligent person with good ideas. I have every right to do what I want with it, especially since I paid for it. If you interfere, I will sue.

2) Don't you dare let my dumb neighbor do that stupid thing with his property. He's an idiot and has no brains, much less any taste. He has no right to do that next to my property, especially since it will devalue mine. If you allow it, I will sue.

Man, it's like you read my mind.
I started my public service many, many, many years ago on a local planning and zoning commission. Oh man! I've heard it ALL.
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brenda
Dec 4 2009, 07:15 AM
Red Rice
Dec 4 2009, 07:11 AM
brenda
Dec 4 2009, 07:08 AM
1) Don't tell me what I can or can't do with my property. I'm an intelligent person with good ideas. I have every right to do what I want with it, especially since I paid for it. If you interfere, I will sue.

2) Don't you dare let my dumb neighbor do that stupid thing with his property. He's an idiot and has no brains, much less any taste. He has no right to do that next to my property, especially since it will devalue mine. If you allow it, I will sue.

Man, it's like you read my mind.
I started my public service many, many, many years ago on a local planning and zoning commission. Oh man! I've heard it ALL.
+1
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Mikhailoh
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Yep, Aqua. I'm also on the township Board of Zoning Appeals - we hear some amazing propositions. But we are there to deal with hardships caused by the zoning code.
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plays88keys
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What drives me nuts is an HOA that thinks those tacky inflatable yard decorations are okay, but a Medal of Honor winner is not allowed to fly his country's flag in his yard.
You can never get enough of what you don't need to make you happy.
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