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Gates warns: failure in Afganistan possible; Duh -- because it's been nothing BUT????
Topic Started: Dec 2 2009, 01:24 PM (519 Views)
Big John
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan

Ijust have one question.

With how many THOUSANDS of soldiers and civilians dead, where the FCUK is Osama Bin Laden?

Did he ever exist?





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George K
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Big John
Dec 2 2009, 01:24 PM
With how many THOUSANDS of soldiers and civilians dead, where the FCUK is Osama Bin Laden?

Did he ever exist?
Obama didn't mention him last night, did he.

I wonder why.
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No!!! Obama said "No More Dumb Wars!!!"

Remember? When he was running for President?

Not that I believed any of it. Voting for a President it like choosing a pool contractor. You always try to get the lesser of the thieves.






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George K
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John, you're the one who brought up bin Laden. I find it interesting that bin Laden was not mentioned last night in the president's speech about the "necessary" war.

Remember, when he was running for president?
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Big John
Dec 2 2009, 02:04 PM
Voting for a President it like choosing a pool contractor.
You've made my sig line.
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Big John
Dec 2 2009, 02:04 PM
No!!! Obama said "No More Dumb Wars!!!"


I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Nothing he says seems to last very long.

Why should last night be any different?
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Dec 2 2009, 02:10 PM
John, you're the one who brought up bin Laden. I find it interesting that bin Laden was not mentioned last night in the president's speech about the "necessary" war.

Remember, when he was running for president?
Like men talk of love, Presidents always talk a lot about bin Laden to begin with, then they tire of it and their sweet-nothings disappear into the mist, to vanish as though they were never there.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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"The greatest trick Satan ever did was to convince people that he didn't exist."

- The Usual Suspects
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Dec 2 2009, 02:53 PM
"The greatest trick Satan ever did was to convince people that he didn't exist."

- The Usual Suspects
Getting himself elected as VP topped that, IMHO.
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Forget Bin Laden.

We won't hear of Bin Laden again (except for his occasional forays onto Al Jazeera) until he is suddenly killed or (unlikely) apprehended, or we establish some clear proof that he died of some causes at some earlier date.

Why would any reasonable president (of any political persuasion) bring him up gratuitously unless there was some gain in doing so. The fact that Obama didn't mention him signifies very little other than that there was no gain in doing so.

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Dec 2 2009, 01:41 PM
Big John
Dec 2 2009, 01:24 PM
With how many THOUSANDS of soldiers and civilians dead, where the FCUK is Osama Bin Laden?

Did he ever exist?
Obama didn't mention him last night, did he.

I wonder why.
Obama didn't promise to get him, dead or alive.

He Who Must Not Be Blamed did.
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George K
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I understand that. I'm not the one who brought up bin Laden. John did. Obviously, he considers it important. My question is why doesn't the president. Or, perhaps, if he does, why didn't he mention him?
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i thought we went to afganistan to find Osama just like Miss S. Carolina says:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYd8pWW9AxY





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Piano*Dad
Dec 2 2009, 03:02 PM
Forget Bin Laden.

We won't hear of Bin Laden again (except for his occasional forays onto Al Jazeera) until he is suddenly killed or (unlikely) apprehended, or we establish some clear proof that he died of some causes at some earlier date.

Why would any reasonable president (of any political persuasion) bring him up gratuitously unless there was some gain in doing so. The fact that Obama didn't mention him signifies very little other than that there was no gain in doing so.

Give the man a ceegar. Osama has been marginalized and rendered pretty much irrelevant. He can't move easily and can't communicate much. Al Qaeda has managed to accomplish very little in the last 8 years. As much as I'd like to see his head on a pike, I think it is better to let him fade into an obscure historical footnote. To make a big whoop out of killing or capturing him now is to grant him more stature.
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Dec 2 2009, 07:59 PM
Piano*Dad
Dec 2 2009, 03:02 PM
Forget Bin Laden.

We won't hear of Bin Laden again (except for his occasional forays onto Al Jazeera) until he is suddenly killed or (unlikely) apprehended, or we establish some clear proof that he died of some causes at some earlier date.

Why would any reasonable president (of any political persuasion) bring him up gratuitously unless there was some gain in doing so. The fact that Obama didn't mention him signifies very little other than that there was no gain in doing so.

Give the man a ceegar. Osama has been marginalized and rendered pretty much irrelevant. He can't move easily and can't communicate much. Al Qaeda has managed to accomplish very little in the last 8 years. As much as I'd like to see his head on a pike, I think it is better to let him fade into an obscure historical footnote. To make a big whoop out of killing or capturing him now is to grant him more stature.
I disagree. I disagreed under Bush, I disagree under Obama.

We should pretend he doesn't exist ... right up until the moment when we parade him down Fifth Avenue in a cage, just like the Romans used to do.
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Capturing bin Laden would be a huge thing. There's no denying that he is the symbol of radical Islamic hatred for the West, and the US in particular. To have him in custody in the US would make him look like the criminal he is. It would be a huge blow to the morale of Al Qaeda. Similarly, it would be a huge boost to the status of whomever captures him ("Look what I did").

He is marginalized in terms of capabilities, and perhaps in terms of influence. But not in terms of PR, and Al Qaeda is, to a great extent about image.

Which returns me to my original point. Obviously Big John thinks capturing him is important. If that's the case, why doesn't he think Obama mentioned him last night? Is it because the president thinks he's dead, because he's uncapturable, or because he's not important?
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As much fun as that would be, I'm not sure but what it would just give them a high profile martyr.
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Dec 2 2009, 08:10 PM
Capturing bin Laden would be a huge thing. There's no denying that he is the symbol of radical Islamic hatred for the West, and the US in particular. To have him in custody in the US would make him look like the criminal he is. It would be a huge blow to the morale of Al Qaeda. Similarly, it would be a huge boost to the status of whomever captures him ("Look what I did").

He is marginalized in terms of capabilities, and perhaps in terms of influence. But not in terms of PR, and Al Qaeda is, to a great extent about image.

Which returns me to my original point. Obviously Big John thinks capturing him is important. If that's the case, why doesn't he think Obama mentioned him last night? Is it because the president thinks he's dead, because he's uncapturable, or because he's not important?
I agree with all of that.

The reason you don't mention him is because, after eight years, the chances of capturing him are small. There's no percentage in giving him a profile if you can't capture him. We've already done the "big talk" ("dead or alive"), and we just look like idiots to most of the world as a result. Ignore him publicly, but, behind the scenes, go after him as hard as you can ... for all the reasons you gave.
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George K
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And I agree with your point about the chances of getting him being small, and therefore, keeping his image marginalized (by ignoring him) is the right thing to do.
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John D'Oh
Dec 2 2009, 02:58 PM
George K
Dec 2 2009, 02:53 PM
"The greatest trick Satan ever did was to convince people that he didn't exist."

- The Usual Suspects
Getting himself elected as VP topped that, IMHO.
:spit: Dang it! I just changed my sig line! Ah well, this one doesn't translate well. Maybe in a few months, if I can remember it, I'll use:

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QuirtEvans
Dec 2 2009, 03:32 PM
George K
Dec 2 2009, 01:41 PM
Big John
Dec 2 2009, 01:24 PM
With how many THOUSANDS of soldiers and civilians dead, where the FCUK is Osama Bin Laden?

Did he ever exist?
Obama didn't mention him last night, did he.

I wonder why.
Obama didn't promise to get him, dead or alive.

He Who Must Not Be Blamed did.
oh yes he did.

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"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority," Obama said during the presidential debate on October 7.


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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
:lol2:

(I am sure if he weren't ignoring me he'd go into some attack about "I said 'dead or alive' -- not dead"). ;)
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Dec 3 2009, 04:30 PM
He Who Must Not Be Blamed did.
oh yes he did.

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"We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority," Obama said during the presidential debate on October 7.

You're confusing "He Who Must Not Be Blamed" with "He who must not be blamed."

See? It's all in the caps.
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