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Sally Quinn on Sarah Palin's Rogue Christianity
Topic Started: Nov 18 2009, 07:53 AM (1,406 Views)
Mikhailoh
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HOLY CARP!!!
Mikhailoh
Sep 1 2017, 02:13 PM
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How do you know the letter asked for a puppy and not for "a ferocious beast that will tear that mean girl in my class Susie to shreds", and that it wasn't just Santa granting a wish?
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George K
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Sep 1 2017, 02:48 PM
How do you know the letter asked for a puppy and not for "a ferocious beast that will tear that mean girl in my class Susie to shreds", and that it wasn't just Santa granting a wish?
Because Ax gotta Ax ask.
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Sep 1 2017, 12:21 PM
Jolly
Sep 1 2017, 11:48 AM
Without the Church, it is doubtful that much of the knowledge in the West would have survived, once the Roman Empire fell.
That's the Church as institution, not theology itself. Theological concepts don't visit the bank, eat breakfast or preserve historical information.

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During the Middle Ages, some of the very best of European architecture is exemplified in the cathedrals.


So? Some of the very best of [pick your favorite region and time period] architecture is exemplified in [pick your favorite architectural projects]. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on cool architecture.

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Most of the universities founded in those times trace their lineage directly back to the Christian Church.


And in those universities, they studied the work of Pagans, just like philo students do today.

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The very best art of the time is sponsered or influenced by the Church.


Now you're just being ridiculous. If you think believing in God makes you a better artist there's really no place to go from there.

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The Church is also responsible for much of the healthcare of the West after Rome fell, and helped found many of the hospitals throughout the West, many of which exist today.


I don't even know what "much of the healthcare" is supposed to mean.

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Lastly, I think most of our law is nothing more than codified morality and that morality is based on the teachings of the Church. Without the Church, there is no Enlightenment and perhaps no United States.


Yeah, you've brought that up before, that you can't have morality without Christianity. The problem is that the two are not synonyms. And simply saying, "well, what else can you base it on" and then denying everything else because it isn't Christianity is a very basic fallacy.
1. It is impossible to separate theology from the Church. Whatever Church exists, also coexists with a theological belief base.
2. Angkor Wat, the Great Pyramid, China's Great Wall, Tikal, the Taj Mahal...Have I covered some of the best the world has to offer? Have any of those impacted the world's architecture more than Roman and later European architecture? And is not much of the late Roman architecture and most of the great European architecture of the middle ages not inspired or commissioned by the Church?
3. Those universities would not exist without the backing of the Church. By many accounts, half of the top ten universities in the world today, have roots in the Church.
4. No, I'm not being ridiculous. Even back in ancient times, a lot of art was religious based or religious linked. Later, a lot of the best work was linked to the Christian Church, in one form or another.
5. The earliest notions of modern medicine were the Greek temples of healing. The word hospital is of Latin origin and the notion of the modern hospital is linked with Christianity.
6. A fallacy is a misleading argument. Some people may argue that the foundations of Western Law are Roman, and that is true to an extant, but it has been so transformed by the concepts of law and liberty contained in the Bible, it has been changed in much of its initial concepts.
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What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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How many priests does it take to change a lightbulb?

CHANGE??????
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Sep 1 2017, 05:47 PM
How many priests does it take to change a lightbulb?

CHANGE??????
(that's a Lutheran (Missouri Synod) joke)

Q: How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Who knows? The atheists will go to turn on the light and the Christians say “let there be light!” And the atheists get pissed and walk away.



Q: How many Atheists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. Atheists can't see the light anyway.

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