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Sally Quinn on Sarah Palin's Rogue Christianity
Topic Started: Nov 18 2009, 07:53 AM (1,407 Views)
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You would think that God would ask of her to live her life as an example to others of a compassionate loving, caring person. One of the most powerful examples of God's love in the Bible is that of forgiveness. Turning the other cheek. But Palin's book is a screed against everyone who ever done her wrong.

She is angry at the campaign staffer for "forcing her to do things she didn't want to do", she is angry at the media for asking her questions she couldn't answer. She is angry at the father of her grandson for being a foolish teenager. She has used this book and all of her Christian charity to do nothing but settle scores. She names names and calls 'em like she see 'em. And she doesn't see 'em the way God might. They are all of his children.

Why would she not simply write a book describing her life as full of blessings as they are, forgiving those who caused her pain or discomfort and show God the gratitude she owes him for everything he has bestowed upon her.

But maybe that wasn't God's plan for her. Maybe he decided that he would have her stray from the basic tenets of her religions beliefs. The dictionary defines "rogue' as "an individual varying markedly from the standard."

The standard for Palin's God and faith is love, generosity, mercy and forgiveness. Perhaps that's what she means when she says she is "Going Rogue."


http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/sally_quinn/2009/11/sarah_palins_rogue_christianity.html?hpid=talkbox1
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Even Christ showed anger.

God does not expect us to be a doormat.
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he expects us to tell the truth..

no?
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When someone bashes you over the head with the loving, forgiving God I think maybe they don't get it.
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Jolly
Nov 18 2009, 08:00 AM
Even Christ showed anger.

God does not expect us to be a doormat.
He managed to forgive the people who nailed him up on a cross while he was still up there.

The gospels are also noticeably free of whining.

The lost sermon - Jesus as stand-up comedian:

'My mum and dad couldn't even get me a decent hotel room. Then these three guys turn up on camels, and what do they bring? Myrhh! What the hell is that? I could have done with more gold! At least we could have rented a room at that point! Have you any idea how much those swaddling clothes itched with all the bloody straw!'

'Morning, noon and night, all these people want is miracles! Get some wine! My dad's sick! Could you feed my party? There's 5000 of us, and all we've got is a bit of herring and a dodgy piece of Hovis. What's a Messiah to do?'

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The most common tactic that gets used against anyone who ever dares to call himself a Christian is the old "you didn't turn the other cheek" game. Those who use it do so as a way of trying to stifle the person, using it as a point of weakness. They're saying "I get to do or say whatever I want about you, but you can't respond to it because you have to "turn the other cheek" - and if you don't I will use it to belittle you until I win".

Jesus said "turn the other cheek". Now figure out the context in which he said it, and you're getting somewhere. He also went through the temple like a mad bull. Obviously sometimes "turning the other cheek" isn't required. Who is this woman to say that Palin hadn't already "turned the other cheek"? He didn't say "just keep turning the other cheek over and over again and let people use you as a doormat".

And Apple, where do you get the idea that she hasn't been telling the truth?

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Nov 18 2009, 08:00 AM
Even Christ showed anger.

In the moment.

Later, upon reflection? I'm not a biblical scholar, so maybe you could direct me to those passages in which he returned at some later point to smite someone with his righteous anger.

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God does not expect us to be a doormat.


Yeah, that part about turning the other cheek, He probably didn't mean that. He was just having an off day, I guess.

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Then these three guys turn up on camels, and what do they bring? Myrhh! What the hell is that?



Yes, but it was the Wisemans. They always send Myrhh....
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Nov 18 2009, 08:17 AM
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Then these three guys turn up on camels, and what do they bring? Myrhh! What the hell is that?



Yes, but it was the Wisemans.
Aren't they the third cousins of the Schwartzes?
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Do you really have the arrogance to claim that you know what God expects?


Well, he did leave an entire book detailing what he expects, you know...
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Nov 18 2009, 08:18 AM
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Do you really have the arrogance to claim that you know what God expects?


Well, he did leave an entire book detailing what he expects, you know...
Indeed. But that book is not exactly a miracle of clarity. As the part about turning the other cheek proves, it's open to interpretation and judgment.
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It's a lot clearer to those who bother to study it, but you're correct - the part about turning the other cheek is open to interpretation and judgment, which means the woman who wrote the article has no right to judge how Palin interprets it.

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Nov 18 2009, 08:21 AM
It's a lot clearer to those who bother to study it, but you're correct - the part about turning the other cheek is open to interpretation and judgment, which means the woman who wrote the article has no right to judge how Palin interprets it.

If Jolly has the right to declare emphatically what God expects, I don't know why Sally Quinn doesn't.

Are you criticizing Jolly, too?
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Does Sally Quinn know the context the statement was made in? Has she taken the time to learn about it? Is she using it to chastise Palin because she cares about her spiritual condition, or is her motivation to use it as a weapon to attack Palin for political differences? If Quinn's motivation is to discuss Palin's spiritual life, she should discuss it with Palin in private. If her goal is something other than that, then she's using it as a weapon. Now who is not following God's directions?

And most importantly - if turning the other cheek is Quinn's real concern, if she thinks it's wrong not to turn the other cheek, why didn't Quinn turn the other cheek herself?

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i find it ironic that Christianity - the ultimate socialism, is used to justify anti-socialism.
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I find it ironic that you think Christianity is "the ultimate socialism". Sounds to me like you misunderstand a lot more about the religion than just "turn the other cheek".

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Nov 18 2009, 08:16 AM
Jolly
Nov 18 2009, 08:00 AM
Even Christ showed anger.

In the moment.

Later, upon reflection? I'm not a biblical scholar, so maybe you could direct me to those passages in which he returned at some later point to smite someone with his righteous anger.

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God does not expect us to be a doormat.


Yeah, that part about turning the other cheek, He probably didn't mean that. He was just having an off day, I guess.

Do you really have the arrogance to claim that you know what God expects?
Don't claim to know everything He expects, but quite a lot of it is explained succinctly and clearly, so that even a little child may understand.

That's not arrogance, that's obediance.

Your problem is that you are so ate up with disdain for others and have such a high opinion of yourself, that you project that perception of reality onto everyone else. If you were a believer, I'd tell you a little time on your knees would do you good...works for me, and most other folks.

As for turning the other cheek...notice what cheek Christ specified...Christ was speaking of the back-handed slap...one of the ultimate insults in Israel of the time. Christ is teaching us to have patience in the face of insult, not to let people beat on us in an act of ultimate pacifism.

We are Christians, we are not sheeple. I serve the same Christ who not only told us to turn our cheek seven times seve, but also told his followers to sell what they had and buy a sword.
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It's a little known fact that the phrase 'Be Mavericky' is used 72 times in the Bible, or at least it was until the bloody Catholics re-wrote the thing and replaced it with the phrase 'Fear not!'. Those pesky Italians have a lot to answer for. They pretty much lost John McCain the election.
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Nov 18 2009, 08:36 AM

i find it ironic that Christianity - the ultimate socialism, is used to justify anti-socialism.
Christianity is NOT the "ultimate socialism".

Socialism forces everyone to be enslaved to the state.

Show me one, just one passage anywhere in the teachings of Jesus Christ, or any book of the Bible for that matter, that says we should be slaves to the state.

Go ahead.

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'However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)'

Not only does this encourage slavery, it also appears to turn a blind eye to the even greater sin of illegal immigration.
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Uh... John... you do know the difference between Jewish Law and Christianity, right?...
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I serve the same Christ who not only told us to turn our cheek seven times seve, but also told his followers to sell what they had and buy a sword.
"Buy" it is not the same as "use" it. So don't read into something that's not there. Buying swords is fine. Actually using them, that's unspecified.
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So Ax - you think that Jesus told people to collect swords as a hobby?

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Nov 18 2009, 10:24 AM
Uh... John... you do know the difference between Jewish Law and Christianity, right?...
It's claimed that Christianity completes, upholds, or otherwise make Jewish Laws whole. Many Jews disagree.
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