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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 24 2009, 08:54 AM (552 Views) | |
| Red Rice | Jul 24 2009, 10:28 AM Post #26 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I side with Larry on this one. The immigrant story in the US taken as a whole is the story of adaptation and integration, much more so than in any other country. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Renauda | Jul 24 2009, 10:51 AM Post #27 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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On the surface it may appear that way in Turkey, but in reality the legacy of Kemal Ataturk is the subjugation of Islam to secular and military authority. Turkish Putinism, if you wish. There is a lot of underlying tension and a history of military coups to ensure the secular nature of governance. The US and Canada are the way they are because muslims here remain a small minority. Not sure how quiet they would be if their numbers significantly increased or if they actually became the majority in some states and provinces. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 24 2009, 10:53 AM Post #28 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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And how does that justify suppressing our main religion because it offends those of other religions and making special accomodations for them? |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 24 2009, 10:59 AM Post #29 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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No one suggested we should suppress our own religion. Just keep religion where it belongs ... in the personal sphere, and not part of government. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 24 2009, 11:00 AM Post #30 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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Anyone know how hard it is to get Australian citizenship?
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| Red Rice | Jul 24 2009, 11:01 AM Post #31 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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... in the bedroom. That's what nun costumes are for. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| RosemaryTwo | Jul 24 2009, 11:27 AM Post #32 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Touche.I think the gray area here is that Sharia law (I think) is law -- not just practice. Sharia law would conlfict with provisions of the Consitution and existing federal law. i.e. requiring women to dress a certain way and to limit their freedoms -- being, you know, beat up, if they don't. To choose to live one way in a free society is different from working to establish laws that limit a free society. To what extent do you tolerate the intolerant? |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Renauda | Jul 24 2009, 11:39 AM Post #33 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Indeed and such new immigrants should bear in mind the following which I recently found posted by an immigrant to Canada on CBC News Comments : "When the first immigrants came here [Canada], there were no roads, no electricity, no running water, no Internet. There was no health care, no pension funds, no unemployment insurance. They had to fight harsh weather conditions, diseases and wild animals to make their families safe. Still they managed to build this society from scratch and bring it up to be the best in the world by all counts. You [recent immigrants from Islamic countries] came here by your choice, you have to respect it and obey the laws and traditions of this society. If not, you will turn it to be the hell you ran away from." ~ http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/07/24/montreal-canal-deaths-saint-leonard-reaction.html#socialcomments |
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| Mikhailoh | Jul 24 2009, 11:41 AM Post #34 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Amen, Renauda, amen. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Larry | Jul 24 2009, 11:42 AM Post #35 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Allow Sharia Law to establish itself in our system and let's see you reject it later.
Since one of the key issues is muslims coming in and then demanding that we accept Sharia law, then it's not a strawman to point out that their group desires to replace our legal system with theirs.
You're getting some of the things I've said confused. When I say "fit in", what I mean is that if you want to come here and live, then you should *want* to fit in. If I should decide that I'd rather live in France than here, I'm going to become French. I'm not going to try to turn France into the US. If a frenchman comes to the US, he should want to become an American, not try to separate himself and hold us in disdain and try to turn the US into France. I didn't say it was a law, I said it was how they should act. You white people would have done well to emulate the people you came in on too, you know...... (just a joke..)Nor did I say it was a requirement for them to learn English. But it damn sure isn't our responsibility to have to accommodate *their* language. If they want to succeed here, they need to learn the language. Don't make me have to punch ten different buttons on my phone selecting which language I want to hear things in - they can learn the language, or get the f*ck out.
I'm well aware of that. They also got on their knees at night and thanked God for letting them get here and have a chance at the American dream, and for not being stuck in the country they left. They were proud to be here, proud to be Americans. What we're dealing with now is a lot of different groups who come here because they want the benefits of living in the US, but they want to hate the US and do things to undermine it all at the same time. Those are the people I'm talking about, and those are the people that someone should have the balls to tell them if they don't like the way we do things here, to get the hell out. |
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| Larry | Jul 24 2009, 11:50 AM Post #36 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Apparently you aren't aware of the ACLU? Or the ideology of islam? Renauda made a good point when he said he didn't know what might happen if muslims grew larger in number. The truth is, islam teaches them to spread into areas that aren't muslim, keep quiet, pretend to be tolerant and accepting of the law of the land and the religions practiced, until they grow to sufficient numbers that they can challenge those laws and religions. Once they can reach a point where they are significant enough in numbers, their religion teaches them to rise up and challenge the laws and religions, with violence if necessary. Those nice, polite guys down at the 7/11 who smile at you when you buy gas from them will cut your throat when the time comes... And I really do wish liberals would learn the difference between religion as "part of government" and freedom of religion, or government based on religious principles. |
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| Larry | Jul 24 2009, 11:58 AM Post #37 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that islam is not just a religion, it is also a legal system. Once the religion takes root, the legal side of it must follow, according to islam. The entire goal of islam is to spread islamic law all over the world, and that has been its goal since Mohammed got up off his 9 year old wife and started fighting.. You will often hear muslims talking about Israel, pointing out that when islam was the dominant religion there (after they killed half the Jews and took the place away from them) there was "religious freedom". The implied meaning is "and until you let our religion and legal system be in charge there will be no peace". Islam "tolerates" other religions by making those who practice other religions pay a religion tax, and submit themselves to Sharia law. Until people wake up to the threat islam poses, even from the seemingly peaceful muslims, it is only a matter of time until they win. |
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| Renauda | Jul 24 2009, 12:10 PM Post #38 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Actually Larry, when Islam took Jerusalem in 638, they took it from the Christian Byzantines and allowed Jews to return to the city. The massacre of Jews and Arabs alike took place in 1099 by Crusaders during the First Crusade. The Crusaders put to the sword some 30,000 to 40,000 people |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 24 2009, 01:07 PM Post #39 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Sorry, but I don't buy that the entire religion cannot be trusted. We aren't talking the Thuggee cult. We can do best by assimiliating them voluntarily. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 24 2009, 01:07 PM Post #40 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Is anyone here arguing in favor of that? Anyone at all? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| apple | Jul 24 2009, 01:16 PM Post #41 |
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one of the angels
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it would be difficult to learn Maori |
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| Red Rice | Jul 24 2009, 01:24 PM Post #42 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No, it wouldn't. Just yell a lot, stamp your feet, and grimace. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Renauda | Jul 24 2009, 01:56 PM Post #43 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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And stick out your tongue like Gene Simmons. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 24 2009, 02:07 PM Post #44 |
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MAMIL
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The level of grimacing brought about by confusing a Maori with an Australian would likely end in you having done to you what generations of English Rugby players have had done to them. |
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Touche.
(just a joke..)
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