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Climate Change; on Jupiter
Topic Started: Jul 23 2009, 05:49 AM (477 Views)
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Jupiter's Spots Disappear Amid Major Climate Change

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So there are republicans on Jupiter.
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Word is that Al Gore and James Hansen will be holding a joint press conference next week on Europa...where they have been cohabitating for the last several years.
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Jul 23 2009, 05:53 AM
So there are republicans on Jupiter.
:lol2:

This is why I enjoy Copper.

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Must be because of all those SUVs there..

We must stop those Jupiterians from polluting!!!

I suggest the cure is to redistribute the wealth on Jupiter from the productive to the nonproductive...

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OR:

Is Algore gonna tell us that we mean old capitalists are so bad we've even polluted Jupiter?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!

Let's see.... uninhabited planets are experiencing climate change, and that's caused by solar activity... but earth is immune from that, and *our* climate change is because of humans.....

Got it.

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No, Larry, you don't get it at all. Both natural causes and manmade causes have the potential to cause environmental changes and shifts in the climate from the local to the global. The fact that one occurs does not in any way mean that the other does not. I wondered how long it would take someone (you, in particular) to jump to that false conclusion.

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Al, it would appear to me that natural causes have *everything* to do with any climate change occurring, and that it's completely ridiculous to think that anything man could possibly do would have the slightest impact on that.
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Setting off even a small percentage of the worlds nuclear arsenal would have a dramatic impact on the weather.

So, there is something that man could do to have an impact.

But, driving SUVs isn't one of them ;)
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Neither does cow farting - but thanks to the touchy feely crowd who can't see through the game being played and that's using them as "useful idiots", cattle farmers are about to be required to pay 88 bucks per cow because of it... I suppose the money is going to be spent on research to learn how to stop cows from farting..

oh wait - no!.... it's going to help the poor people in Africa who are suffering because my cows fart - well, after it filters through Algore's pockets first.. then the UN.. and then the little tinhorn dictator running things there..
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Jul 23 2009, 11:43 AM
Al, it would appear to me that natural causes have *everything* to do with any climate change occurring, and that it's completely ridiculous to think that anything man could possibly do would have the slightest impact on that.
There's a mountain of evidence that suggests otherwise.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Ok... so how come all the other planets are experiencing climate change, but its only earth that's experiencing it because of humans?

I can find you all sorts of websites showing the impossibility of man having anything to do with it, you know.
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Jul 23 2009, 01:15 PM
Ok... so how come all the other planets are experiencing climate change, but its only earth that's experiencing it because of humans?

I can find you all sorts of websites showing the impossibility of man having anything to do with it, you know.
The Earth absolutely has the ability to create drastic change within its own atmosphere. Of course it does. Natural processes are, if nothing else, extremely volatile.

But, I just think that human influence can have a more potent impact than what you're giving it credit for. I have no idea how much the current environmental situation can be contributed to mankind but I don't think our influence is negligible.
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But, I just think that human influence can have a more potent impact than what you're giving it credit for. I have no idea how much the current environmental situation can be contributed to mankind but I don't think our influence is negligible.


You do realize that CO2 levels have been far higher than they are now even before humans began using fossil fuels, right?

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Jul 23 2009, 01:26 PM
You do realize that CO2 levels have been far higher than they are now even before humans began using fossil fuels, right?

It's not a question of how high.

Say it's 90 degrees outside. Big deal right? It's been over 100 before and even that wasn't a record.

But if we're in northern Maine in late January and it's 90 for a few days in a row, there could be something amiss.

It's a question of "how far from the norm are we and what's causing the shift."

Unfortunately, we don't know nearly enough about global climate patterns as we do about usual temperatures in northern Maine. With respect to CO2 levels and other atmospheric phenomena, we can't even tell what the norm is supposed to be.

But we're not totally clueless, either. We're getting there. And right now, it looks like human beings are not entirely negligible factors in the global climate.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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So....... who's driving around on Jupiter?.......
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It's a question of "how far from the norm are we and what's causing the shift."


And who or what determines "the norm"?

Could be that the Earth is simply in a phase that permits us to exist. It could and more than likely will return to a phase that does not.
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Jul 23 2009, 03:09 PM
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It's a question of "how far from the norm are we and what's causing the shift."


And who or what determines "the norm"?
The Earth "determines" that I suppose.

Like I said, science isn't yet sophisticated enough to know for sure what that is, but we're getting there.
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But if we're in northern Maine in late January and it's 90 for a few days in a row, there could be something amiss.


Happens quite often and doesn't mean anything. Just like extreme cold for a few days in the summer doesn't mean global cooling.

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Jul 23 2009, 05:21 PM

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But if we're in northern Maine in late January and it's 90 for a few days in a row, there could be something amiss.


Happens quite often and doesn't mean anything. Just like extreme cold for a few days in the summer doesn't mean global cooling.

That's why I said there could be something amiss. But you totally missed my point anyway.
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Little use talking to some people, AL. There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

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big al
Jul 23 2009, 06:29 PM
Little use talking to some people, AL. There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

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That's comes across as pretty condescending considering that it is generally acknowledged by all parties including AL (AlGore inter alia excepted) that we really don't have any clear notion of the relative impact of human activity of climate change, and many who don't accept the hypothesis of AGW still call for reasonable approaches to environmental management. To say someone chooses not to see when they have legitimate reasons to question whether the picture you are attempting to describe is actually accurate comes across as self serving.
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It's not only condescending, it's coming from the wrong direction. He's the one who's blind...
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Jul 23 2009, 03:09 PM

Could be that the Earth is simply in a phase that permits us to exist. It could and more than likely will return to a phase that does not.
It's more than more than likely. It's inevitable. The sun will burn out and go dark someday.

In a few billion years.

Hopefully, by then, we'll have alternatives.
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Jul 23 2009, 08:04 PM
big al
Jul 23 2009, 06:29 PM
Little use talking to some people, AL. There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.

Big Al
That's comes across as pretty condescending considering that it is generally acknowledged by all parties including AL (AlGore inter alia excepted) that we really don't have any clear notion of the relative impact of human activity of climate change, and many who don't accept the hypothesis of AGW still call for reasonable approaches to environmental management. To say someone chooses not to see when they have legitimate reasons to question whether the picture you are attempting to describe is actually accurate comes across as self serving.
Not condescending at all, IT. Simply stating facts. Larry clearly stated above that, IHNSHO, human causes can not and do not have any effect on the climate. That's a great leap, not justified by any reasonable interpretation of the present state of knowledge, from not having any clear notion of the relative[my emphasis] impact of human activity.

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