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No chain grocery stores in Detroit; what welfare hath wrought
Topic Started: Jul 22 2009, 04:37 PM (857 Views)
brenda
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Typical paczki
A paczki is a deep-fried piece of dough shaped into a flattened sphere and filled with confiture or other sweet filling. Paczki are usually covered with powdered sugar, icing or bits of dried orange zest.

Although they look like bismarcks or jelly doughnuts, paczki (pronounced ponchki but mistakenly pronounced poonchki or punchki)are made from especially rich dough containing eggs, fats, sugar and sometimes milk. They feature a variety of fruit and creme fillings and can be glazed, or covered with granulated or powdered sugar. Prunes and rose-petal jam[citation needed] are traditional fillings, but many others are used as well, including lemon, strawberry, Bavarian cream, blueberry, custard, raspberry and apple.

Paczki have been known in Poland at least since the Middle Ages. Jędrzej Kitowicz has described that during the reign of August III, under the influence of French cooks who came to Poland, paczki dough was improved, so that paczki became lighter, spongier, and more resilient.


Paczki Day
In Poland, they are eaten especially on Fat Thursday (the last Thursday before Lent). Many Polish Americans celebrate Paczki Day on Fat Tuesday (the day before Ash Wednesday). Traditionally, the reason for making paczki was to use up all the lard, sugar, eggs and fruit in the house, which are forbidden during Lent.

In the large Polish community of Chicago, and other large cities across the Midwest (namely Detroit), Paczki Day is also celebrated annually by immigrants and locals alike. In Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Windsor, Milwaukee, Pulaski and South Bend, Paczki Day is more commonly celebrated on Fat Tuesday instead of Fat Thursday. Chicago celebrated and Fat Tuesday, due to its sizable Polish population.

In Hamtramck, an enclave in Detroit, there is an annual Paczki Day (Fat Tuesday) Parade, and lines at bakeries can be seen up to 24 hours before the deep-fried delights go on sale Tuesday morning. According to Garfield Heights police, one year 3,000 people waited for paczki. The Paczki Day celebration in some areas are even larger than many celebrations for St. Patrick's Day.

The day marks the Catholic celebration of the beginning of Lent. The Lenten season is the beginning of 40 days of fasting that Catholics do to bring them closer to Christ so that come the Resurrection at Easter they may live their lives more fully in accord with the Gospel.


Paczki in America
These pastries have become popular in the United States as a result of Polish immigrants and marketing by the bakery industry.

Home-made glazed paczki.A cultural phenomenon is the emergence of the "Paczki Challenge", an eating contest in which individuals attempt to race from one side of a room (non-standard) while eating as many paczki as they can before reaching the other side. The person who arrives first and has eaten the most paczki wins. Typically a ratio of 1 paczki for every 10 steps is considered competitive. Amateur competitive eater McKay Johnson holds the record at The Greater Chicago Paczki Challenge. He was able to consume 18 raspberry filled paczki before crossing the room.

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HOLY CARP!!!
Mark
Jul 22 2009, 09:49 PM
He is, along with FDR and Wilson.
Okay, I can understand FDR and LBJ but what did Wilson do to p1$$ you off?
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Jul 23 2009, 06:35 AM
Nor are the auto industry's woes anything new. So we can't blame teh continuing decline of Detroit on that.
I couldn't disagree more. The auto decline and the decline of Detroit have gone hand in hand. I worked on industrial projects in the dirtiest parts of Detroit in the 1970s and 1980s. There were still many auto, steel and other heavy industrial jobs back then and people worked at them. The subsequent decline has been a long slow process preceding the present collapse.

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You still miss my point - most of these folks are not homeowners. They rent. Where, when the government will make sure you have at least subsistence, is the impetus to get the hell out of there and go where you can find work?

We have created three generations now of the hopeless and helpless. We basically made them slaves again, they just don't have to work for it.
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Renauda
Jul 23 2009, 07:32 AM
Mark
Jul 22 2009, 09:49 PM
He is, along with FDR and Wilson.
Okay, I can understand FDR and LBJ but what did Wilson do to p1$$ you off?
In order of reasoning.

1. Secured passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the Income Tax.

2. He viewed the United States Constitution as "antiquated" & "cumbersome"

3. He believed that America's system of checks and balances was the cause of the problems in American governance.

4. His foreign policy of making the world safe for democracy was the infancy of the industrial military complex.

5. He was a white supremacist.

I could go on but I have work to do.
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4. His foreign policy of making the world safe for democracy was the infancy of the industrial military complex.


Not to nit pick but I think you meant to write *military industrial complex*.
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Yes.
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Mikhailoh
Jul 23 2009, 07:49 AM
You still miss my point - most of these folks are not homeowners. They rent. Where, when the government will make sure you have at least subsistence, is the impetus to get the hell out of there and go where you can find work?

We have created three generations now of the hopeless and helpless. We basically made them slaves again, they just don't have to work for it.

Don't worry we'll make them equal.

By putting everyone else in the same boat.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Renauda
Jul 23 2009, 09:08 AM
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4. His foreign policy of making the world safe for democracy was the infancy of the industrial military complex.


Not to nit pick but I think you meant to write *military industrial complex*.
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Jul 23 2009, 09:31 AM
Renauda
Jul 23 2009, 09:08 AM
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4. His foreign policy of making the world safe for democracy was the infancy of the industrial military complex.


Not to nit pick but I think you meant to write *military industrial complex*.
/nitpick
/WFC?
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I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Mikhailoh
Jul 23 2009, 07:49 AM
You still miss my point - most of these folks are not homeowners. They rent. Where, when the government will make sure you have at least subsistence, is the impetus to get the hell out of there and go where you can find work?

We have created three generations now of the hopeless and helpless. We basically made them slaves again, they just don't have to work for it.
And you seem oblivious to my point - when unemployment was 6% instead of 22.8%, why weren't all these people sitting home soaking up the government largesse then. Or did they suddenly become welfare bums because they lost their jobs. Uprooting your family to move to a new job is one thing. Uprooting them to go on the road seeking a job that may not even exist sounds more like The Grapes of Wrath than anything else. I thought we learned almost 80 years ago that there are better ways to deal with recessions and depressions, but I guess some people never learn.

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Larry
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Al, could it be that those who worked have for the most part left town?

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No it couldn't. The math doesn't work for that to be correct. The actual number of unemployed has roughly doubled over about a year's time. It's not that the same number are not working and more of the working have left town.

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Mik, Al, et al, I just want you to know it's all your fault. No, not the unemployment in Detroit, the challah dough rising on my countertop.

All this talk of Detroit got me thinking about Hamtramck, the deli, the paczkis, and then the next thing you know I'm mixing up challah dough. OK, it won't be as decadent as the paczkis, but it's still pretty good, especially when it's warm from the oven.

It's all your fault, I tell you.






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Al, this situation did not come about in the last year. Central Detroit has been going down the tubes since the 60's. I know. I was there several weeks each year. It's not just due to the auto industry. If that were true, Pittsburgh would have been down and out from losing the steel industry. It's the culture, or lack thereof.
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you know i hung out in Gary, Indiana with guys who worked at Ford.. played a little pool.

lots of fun.. not too much hi culture tho.
it behooves me to behold
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
A friend's father was a fireman in Gary. I once asked him how he liked living in Gary - he said it was ok until they invented fiberglass bathtubs....

I asked him what that had to do with anything. He explained that back when the tubs in the tenements were made out of cast iron, they didn't have as many fires as they do now.

So - I asked him what that had to do with fires. He said that when the tubs were cast iron, the residents could bbq in them without setting the building on fire. But when they switched to fiberglass tubs, every time one of them built a fire to bbq chicken in it, they set the building on fire.

And he was being dead serious.

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I've done some work in Gary over the last few years. there are very few places I feel unsafe, but that was one of them.
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Larry
Jul 23 2009, 01:47 PM
A friend's father was a fireman in Gary. I once asked him how he liked living in Gary - he said it was ok until they invented fiberglass bathtubs....

I asked him what that had to do with anything. He explained that back when the tubs in the tenements were made out of cast iron, they didn't have as many fires as they do now.

So - I asked him what that had to do with fires. He said that when the tubs were cast iron, the residents could bbq in them without setting the building on fire. But when they switched to fiberglass tubs, every time one of them built a fire to bbq chicken in it, they set the building on fire.

And he was being dead serious.

Both funny and scary. Unless you're the landlord, then it's scary and maddening.
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Brenda, mea culpa for the challah bread. :lol:
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I've never been to Detroit but I did drive through Gary once, though. Reminded me of the "Music Man" song.

This economy sucks. It must be even worse in areas where things were bad before the recession...like Detroit.

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Homeless shelters are filled right now with single mothers and their kids.

Hmmm..... maybe I need to go check out the place and adopt a few...... :whome:


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apple
Jul 23 2009, 06:02 AM
Detroit is car industry challenged no doubt about it. Whole populations cannot just up and move in a short time frame. Urban cores are dying all over the industrial belt. I don't see the point of blaming welfare... that seems short sighted, partisan thinking maybe.

Study a bit on the migration of black labor from the South to the North in the twentieth century.

They didn't have welfare, so they packed up what they had, and went looking for work. A more caucasian analogy would be the Okies from the Depression.

Either way, you had folks doing what they needed to do in order to put bread on the table.
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big al
Jul 23 2009, 11:37 AM
I thought we learned almost 80 years ago that there are better ways to deal with recessions and depressions, but I guess some people never learn.

Big Al
If we had learned anything we wouldn't be in this mess now.

lb
My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09
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