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'No Homo' - never heard of this before.
Topic Started: Jul 20 2009, 05:32 PM (855 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Dr. Marc Lamont Hill: Fox News Pundit Says No More No Homo

Fox News political contributor Dr. Marc Lamont Hill wants to put an end to the pop culture catchphrase "no homo."

"No homo" was originated by rap star Cam'ron, who had an affinity for wearing anything pink but didn't want it to be perceived as "gay."

Since being made popular by Cam'ron and his Dipset hip-hop crew, the expression has evolved into a ubiquitous slang term used to chase any phrase, action or idea that could be perceived as linguistically gay.

The "no homo" phenomenon has even birthed a series of YouTube videos that spoof the term.

Now Hill, who in addition to being a television personality on the Fox News Channel works at Columbia University as Associate Professor of Education at Teachers College, is encouraging people to cease use of the vernacular.

In his own words, read Hill's essay on why the use of "no homo" must end:

"Over the past few years, there has been a disturbing trend in hip-hop culture that has spilled into everyday urban life: the use the phrase "no homo." Essentially, a man will say "no homo" to ensure that no one mistakes their remarks as homosexual in nature.

Still confused? Here are a few examples: I once appeared on New York's Hot 97 radio station with members of the Dipset rap crew. One of the members, Freeky Zeeky, was talking about an upcoming album and said, "I couldn't have gotten it done if Cam'ron hadn't really gotten behind me. No Homo!"

More recently, my brother and I were playing basketball with some young men in our neighborhood. One of the brothers, who was 6'5 and cocky, demanded that we pass him the ball on every possession. Each time we had the ball, he would scream: "Feed me! No Homo... Give it to me! No Homo. I want it! No Homo."

Last week, I stumbled into a local bar during karaoke night. One of the men, who was apparently a regular, decided that he would depart from his normal catalog of disco covers.
He grabbed the mic and said, "Tonight, I want to try something different. No Homo!"

In fact, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't hear someone utter this ridiculous phrase.
In some ways, "no homo" is part of a long tradition ghetto language games that evince the quick-wit and linguistic sophistication of Black and Brown people. I must admit that it took me a few seconds to understand what the brother was talking about during karaoke night. But once I did, I laughed uncontrollably at the childish absurdity of his decision to clarify that he wasn't planning a gay rendezvous. Still, despite its intellectual and comedic richness, the no-homo fad spotlights our troubling relationship with gay identities.

By punctuating even the most sexually non-suggestive sentences with a homophobic disclaimer, we reinforce the idea that gay and lesbian people are worthy of ridicule, shame, and surveillance.

This notion is particularly troubling within hip-hop culture, which is sustained by the creative work of gay stylists, writers, choreographers and, yes, rappers.

The use of "no homo" also reveals a deep homoerotic impulse within our culture. After all, how can you constantly say "no homo" without constantly thinking about gay sex?

Perhaps, instead of finding new ways of deriding gay and lesbian people, we could devote that same energy to figuring out why we're obsessed with them. The answer may be deeper than we think." – Dr. Marc Lamont Hill
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ivorythumper
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from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
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Mikhailoh
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Yeah, no homo.

Boy. That's really weird. Do gay folks have to say 'no hetero' or 'no breeder' or something?
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What a gay phrase. That's really queer.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Mikhailoh
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And it could sure kill a lot of great (well.. maybe not great, but certainly a lot) humor around here.

Say, for instance I remarked, "I'm feeling jolly.". Now there is an opening for some enterprising humorist. What a setup.

But if I were to say, "I'm feeling jolly, no homo.", it just kills it. No humor potential at all.

Oddly enough, 'no homo' could be considered the death of the straight man.
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I've never even heard of that phrase. But the whole thing is pretty pathetic, both the article and the phrase. . .
We're all mad here!
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This thread sucks. No homo!!!!
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ivorythumper
Jul 20 2009, 05:35 PM
from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
I think it's Fox code for 'black with a doctorate'.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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HOLY CARP!!!
I thought this was about milk.
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ivorythumper
Jul 20 2009, 05:35 PM
from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
I'm surprised you were able to type it without any major hiccup.
In my defense, I was left unsupervised.
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jon-nyc
Jul 20 2009, 06:27 PM
ivorythumper
Jul 20 2009, 05:35 PM
from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
I'm surprised you were able to type it without any major hiccup.
i had to cut and paste.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
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John D'Oh
Jul 20 2009, 06:22 PM
ivorythumper
Jul 20 2009, 05:35 PM
from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
I think it's Fox code for 'black with a doctorate'.
It's on his website, not Fox's.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Leno, and others, used to do the same all the time... how many times have I heard "not that there's anything wrong with that..."

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By punctuating even the most sexually non-suggestive sentences with a homophobic disclaimer, we reinforce the idea that gay and lesbian people are worthy of ridicule, shame, and surveillance.


No. They are reinforcing the idea that they are afraid of ridicule, shame, and surveillance. In others words, they're reinforcing the idea that they're insecure.

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Not that there's anything wrong with that....... :D

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Bernard
Jul 20 2009, 09:14 PM
Leno, and others, used to do the same all the time... how many times have I heard "not that there's anything wrong with that..."

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By punctuating even the most sexually non-suggestive sentences with a homophobic disclaimer, we reinforce the idea that gay and lesbian people are worthy of ridicule, shame, and surveillance.


No. They are reinforcing the idea that they are afraid of ridicule, shame, and surveillance. In others words, they're reinforcing the idea that they're insecure.

Nope, it's just a joke. You can try to psychoanalyze it as if everything said against homosexuality was homophobic which is supposedly really just a mask for repressed homosexual inclinations, but its a silly argument.

The flip side of that same sort of thinking is that any homosexual who makes a statement criticizing a joke about homosexuality is really insecure in their own orientation -- probably deeply ashamed of their predilections -- and so is compelled to try to change everyone else who does not accept their orientation rather than deal with their own psychological issues. I don't think you'd agree with such a view, but it really is the flip side of what you just wrote.
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i find the transformation that spoken and written English is undergoing as youngsters, the internet, wireless communication and human ingenuity collide, fascinating.

English is sooooooooooo unweildy with it's mishmash of archaic spellings and diverse linguistic roots. It SHOULD absolutely be streamlined and re-spelled phonetically. It is the world's richest language, the most descriptive because of the incredible diversity of cultures that contribute to this huge linguistic melting pot.

no homo.. is super funny if you ask me. i am not in the least appalled. we should embrace homosexuality as normal and i applaud the younger generation for at least acknowledging that it exists with humor.

(i call my sons my homeboys on facebook - their friends think it hilarious)


we've come a long way since ecce homo.
it behooves me to behold
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Jul 20 2009, 06:31 PM
John D'Oh
Jul 20 2009, 06:22 PM
ivorythumper
Jul 20 2009, 05:35 PM
from his website "Dr. Marc Lamont Hill is one of the leading hip-hop generation intellectuals in the country."

Can anyone say that with a straight face?
I think it's Fox code for 'black with a doctorate'.
It's on his website, not Fox's.
My mistake - however, the term is clearly a euphemism for something, even if he doesn't actually realise it yet.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Bernard
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Nope, it's just a joke. You can try to psychoanalyze it as if everything said against homosexuality was homophobic which is supposedly really just a mask for repressed homosexual inclinations, but its a silly argument.


I didn't say everything. Sheesh. And I hardly spent any time try to psychoanalyze it either, it's the first thing that popped into my head. Sheesh. I agree that sometimes it's just a joke.

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The flip side of that same sort of thinking is that any homosexual who makes a statement criticizing a joke about homosexuality is really insecure in their own orientation -- probably deeply ashamed of their predilections -- and so is compelled to try to change everyone else who does not accept their orientation rather than deal with their own psychological issues. I don't think you'd agree with such a view, but it really is the flip side of what you just wrote.


That's quite presumptuous of you (a pattern I'm noticing). And you're wrong.

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The phrase hasn't filtered across the pond yet thank God and I won't be using it, that's for sure. Sounds like another sign of our decaying western society.

You folk aware of the upheaval on the Isle of Lewis this week? First a company started running ferries from the mainland on the Sabbath, then there was a gay marriage; at which point some jester quipped 'first Sabbath ferries, next Sabbeth fairies".
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2544320/Isle-of-Lewis-in-gay-wed-row.html
The Free Church of Scotland are outraged, pointing out that Genesis lays out the basics that God made the seventh day special, and that the ordination of marriage is between a man and woman.
Call me a religious zealot from the middle ages if you want, but they have got a point.
Our society is slowly going down the pan.
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No, our society is just changing, as it always has....for thousands of years. It has also "been going down the pan" since its creation. The ancient Greeks and Romans were aware of homosexuality, too. Weren't they more open to it?
And how are you today?
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Jul 21 2009, 06:32 AM
The phrase hasn't filtered across the pond yet thank God and I won't be using it, that's for sure. Sounds like another sign of our decaying western society.

You folk aware of the upheaval on the Isle of Lewis this week? First a company started running ferries from the mainland on the Sabbath, then there was a gay marriage; at which point some jester quipped 'first Sabbath ferries, next Sabbeth fairies".
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2544320/Isle-of-Lewis-in-gay-wed-row.html
The Free Church of Scotland are outraged, pointing out that Genesis lays out the basics that God made the seventh day special, and that the ordination of marriage is between a man and woman.
Call me a religious zealot from the middle ages if you want, but they have got a point.
Our society is slowly going down the pan.
65 years ago millions of people were being shovelled into gas chambers and bombs were raining down across Europe, and the main concern today is whether some boat sails on a Sunday or whether two blokes want to live together. Call me a bit silly if you will, but personally I think that's an improvement.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Renauda
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AndyD
Jul 21 2009, 06:32 AM
The Free Church of Scotland are outraged, pointing out that Genesis lays out the basics that God made the seventh day special, and that the ordination of marriage is between a man and woman.
Call me a religious zealot from the middle ages if you want, but they have got a point.
Our society is slowly going down the pan.
No they don't have a point and the society is by and large as healthy and acceptably disfunctional as it has ever been.
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John D'Oh
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I've never heard of the phrase before. I agree it's silly. Originally used by people insecure in their sexuality, I hope it stops before it just becomes universal and loses any semblance to its original intent.

In college I was the opposite. Any questionable line was delivered with a coy look.
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Bernard
Jul 21 2009, 05:36 AM

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The flip side of that same sort of thinking is that any homosexual who makes a statement criticizing a joke about homosexuality is really insecure in their own orientation -- probably deeply ashamed of their predilections -- and so is compelled to try to change everyone else who does not accept their orientation rather than deal with their own psychological issues. I don't think you'd agree with such a view, but it really is the flip side of what you just wrote.


That's quite presumptuous of you (a pattern I'm noticing). And you're wrong.

What I am wrong about, Bernard, that "I don't think you'd agree with such a view"???? If so that perhaps I was being presumptuous.

But if not, then how exactly is it presumptous, Bernard?

I didn't say that was the case, I made the point that it was the flip side of your pattern of thinking about how a comment made by a heterosexual about homosexuality is indicative of insecurity. If so then a heterosexual should be entitled to think that a comment made by a homosexual about heterosexual's motivations are really indicative of guilt, shame, self loathing, etc. If you agree that is a bad conclusion, then perhaps you ought to revisit your own knee jerk reaction that they are afraid or insecure.
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