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| Are you an atheist? I am, and so should you.; (be one that is) | |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 04:22 PM Post #151 |
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I'd agree with that - faith is a bad idea regardless of what it's in. I'd oppose faith that there is no God, that's just as bad as faith there is one. Faith itself is what is bunk not whatever conclusion it is applied to.
I'm glad you feel better and i'm sorry you didn't find a perspective that helped you without losing err.. but anyway what you are saying is totally crazy! You can't choose what you believe! Consider whether or not you can choose to believe whether the Earth is flat or round, or whether the solar system has two suns or one or whether HIV causes AIDS or whether prayer can cure or not. You can choose to say the words "I believe that HIV causes AIDS" or "I believe evil spells cast by witch doctors causes AIDS" but if you can choose what you think is likely to be true then it means you're choosing whether or not to ignore what the world is telling you.
Sure there is no proof but proof is a non-starter, there's no proof there are not invisible unicorns on Mars the key point though is that there is no reason to think there are. So rather than asking whether there is any proof that god doesn't exist the question should be is there is any reason to think he/she/it/they does/do. |
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| sue | Jul 16 2009, 04:34 PM Post #152 |
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that's honest, and clear. I accept that I will not exist after my human death; that's it, my time will be done. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 04:38 PM Post #153 |
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Actually Heisenberg is not so clear (through Schrodinger definitely shouldn't be there) Heisenberg is referred to here with:
Which is clear as mud but I guess implies atleast some kind of nominal religious sentiment. |
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| George K | Jul 16 2009, 04:44 PM Post #154 |
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It was a (bad) joke on the cat and the uncertainty principle. Oh, well... |
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| Mark | Jul 16 2009, 04:44 PM Post #155 |
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What exactly is the world telling me? |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 04:59 PM Post #156 |
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I don't know what observations you think supports the conclusions you have, but I assume you have some observations. (though I think under critical analysis one would see that the observations do not infact constitute much by way of evidence). The point was only that you shouldn't choose what to believe, you should simply examine the world and think about what's likely and what's not and why. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 05:01 PM Post #157 |
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haha I see... or do I? |
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| Mark | Jul 16 2009, 05:05 PM Post #158 |
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You choose what to believe. By what you see and hear and touch and calculate. And I do too. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 05:11 PM Post #159 |
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What i see and hear and touch and calculate determines what i believe - I do not have the power to choose what i think is likely to be true and what i think is likely to be false. When i see a plane landing i don't choose to believe a plane is landing i just notice it and (assuming i'm not in the cinema) believe it. I don't have the power to choose not to believe a plane is landing. Only mad people can choose what they believe, the sane are necessarily constrained by empirical reality. |
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| CrashTest | Jul 16 2009, 05:34 PM Post #160 |
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I really would like there to be a god. It makes things kind of exciting knowing there is some higher power playing with us. But...I'm not saying there is a lack of evidence for the existence of god, which there is - but I am also saying more - what many people use to prove there has to be an intelligent creator (Life being born, complexity, etc) is ample proof of how the laws of nature work and have developed -which explains how we reached this advanced state of being, at least to us. The cultural and sociological impact of religion on the human psyche cannot be underestimated. It is powerful and keeps otherwise intelligent people from reaching otherwise logical conclusions. Indoctrination is strong. Mark, can you share with us your experience in terms of what brought you back to believing in god? I am curious what made you realize this. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 05:35 PM Post #161 |
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I got it - I just didn't want to encourage you to do any more. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 05:35 PM Post #162 |
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Dupe |
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| Axtremus | Jul 16 2009, 05:50 PM Post #163 |
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Now see, you're just incapable of being a wingnut. |
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| Axtremus | Jul 16 2009, 05:51 PM Post #164 |
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I did get the joke the first time, and thought it was brilliant. Too bad you had to explain it.
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| Axtremus | Jul 16 2009, 05:52 PM Post #165 |
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No no no... there's infinite supply of good beer and great sex in the afterlife.
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| Axtremus | Jul 16 2009, 05:58 PM Post #166 |
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Brilliant analysis! I would probably never think of "perfect murder" that way if no ones points out to me its parallel to the classic double slit experiment. Brilliant!
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| QuantumIvory | Jul 16 2009, 06:51 PM Post #167 |
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Schrodinger clearly believed in God. How about these 20th century Nobel Laureates who also believe(d) in God? Robert Millikan Charles Townes Arthur Schawlow William Phillips William Bragg Guglielmo Marconi Arthur Compton Arno Penzias Nevill Mott Isidor Isaac Rabi Abdus Salam Antony Hewish Joseph H. Taylor, Jr. And these are just the physicists. |
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 06:56 PM Post #168 |
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But that would require an intelligent designer, so you've just told me you believe in God. You can't have it both ways - either it was random, or it wasn't. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 06:57 PM Post #169 |
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How many of these people believed in global warming, abortion and/or gay marriage? |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 07:06 PM Post #170 |
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One thing I've always found amusing about the "intellectually enlightened atheist" types who so quickly and frequently deride those who believe in God for being "closed minded" is their near perfect track record for dismissing out of hand any evidence presented that might contradict their views before they've even examined it. |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 07:10 PM Post #171 |
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Are you referring to the Alistair McGrath who leaves your god Dawkins in the dirt every single time they debate? hahahaha |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 07:12 PM Post #172 |
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What universe? There wasn't one prior to the big bang. And if you try to argue there was, please tell us where whatever matter and/or energy you think was there to blow up came from. |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 07:15 PM Post #173 |
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Where did the particles come from? The existence of particles means the existence of motion, which means the existence of space, which means the existence of time, and energy. Where did they come from? |
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| Larry | Jul 16 2009, 07:17 PM Post #174 |
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! I can tell you as a stone cold fact that if any Larry particles EVER brushed up against any Kathy particles, the question of where black holes come from would be answered..... |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 07:18 PM Post #175 |
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I'm still waiting for a satisfactory answer regarding Mr. Simmons' existence. Is it true that he's the brother of Gene? |
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