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| Mark | Jul 16 2009, 10:57 AM Post #101 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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We are dust. We came from dust and to dust we will return. |
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 10:59 AM Post #102 |
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Sure, scientific knowledge advances. I'm fully support that, and find it important and fascinating. Religions answers to these as yet unanswerable questions . . . uhm . . . I'll pass. |
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| Klaus | Jul 16 2009, 11:00 AM Post #103 |
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Why not say "particles" rather than "dust"? Sounds much nicer
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| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 11:00 AM Post #104 |
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I agree. Still, I dust my house. Perhaps our discomfort with our origin and destination explains our aversions to dust. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 11:01 AM Post #105 |
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Particles don't behave like dust. |
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 11:03 AM Post #106 |
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Can particles get through my 100% 16-ounce real wool string cover? |
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| Renauda | Jul 16 2009, 11:03 AM Post #107 |
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Dust bunnies can be cute. |
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| Dewey | Jul 16 2009, 11:05 AM Post #108 |
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QuantumIvory, if you appreciate reading theology through the eyes of a physicist, you cannot miss reading John Polkinghorne. For starters, I'd suggest this, which I have read and enjoyed thoroughly, or this, which I haven't but which looks very good. |
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"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685. "Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous "Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011 I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14 | |
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| Quagmire | Jul 16 2009, 11:08 AM Post #109 |
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Reminds me of when Richard Dawkins was on O'Reilly, which was a ludicrous interview to begin with. But later, O'Reilly claimed to have beaten Dawkins in the creation vs evolution debate, because Dawkins couldnt answer where everything came from initially, but Bill could by holding up the bible. ergo, he won the debate. how can you even discuss ideas with someone who cant even grasp the logic of why thats not winning?
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 11:08 AM Post #110 |
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OMH Dewey just posted a 1\2 inch post in a religious thread.
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 16 2009, 11:09 AM Post #111 |
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'Cause he's spot-on. If you go forward instead of backward, most of the dust you find in your household is, yep, dead skin. We are dust. Dust is us.
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 11:15 AM Post #112 |
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Dust is us. Sounds like a chain store that sells cleaning supplies. |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 11:17 AM Post #113 |
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I said only that it may be meaningless e.g. if the big bang is the beginning of time then the question is meaningless. It is just that there is no requirement that the quesiton means something.
Nature forbids a perfect murder if you imagine a universe where it doesn't then you are decoupling the depence of the present on the past and the very notion of past stops meaning what we normally think it means it would allow for instance a multiverse interpretation of the past within which the question as you intend it would indeed stop meaning anything. |
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| Klaus | Jul 16 2009, 11:24 AM Post #114 |
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But couldn't there be multiple possible pasts that lead to the same present? For example, in state transition systems and process calculi it is quite common to have the situation that several different states have overlapping successor states. Why should the world be different? I recall you once speculated about the possibility that all past states are somehow included in the present state, but I assume that this is a theory that has not yet been proven, right? |
| Trifonov Fleisher Klaus Sokolov Zimmerman | |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 16 2009, 11:26 AM Post #115 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Let's play a game: Use an emoticon to reply to Moonbat's sentence. Here's mine:
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 11:27 AM Post #116 |
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Well then, somebody's either coming or going on top of my bookcase. |
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| Mark | Jul 16 2009, 11:27 AM Post #117 |
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We are dust.
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| ivorythumper | Jul 16 2009, 11:30 AM Post #118 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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Well, I came upon a child of GodHe was walking along the road And I asked him, 'Tell where are you going?' This he told me Said, 'Iım going down to Yasgur's Farm, Gonna join in a rock and roll band. Got to get back to the land and set my soul free.' We are stardust, we are golden, We are billion year old carbon, And we got to get ourselves back to the garden. 'Well, then can I walk beside you? I have come to lose the smog, And I feel like I'm a cog in something turning. And maybe it's the time of year, Yes and maybe it's the time of man. And I don't know who I am, But life is for learning.' We are stardust, we are golden, We are billion year old carbon. And we got to get ourselves back to the garden. We are stardust, we are golden, We are billion year old carbon. And we got to get ourselves back to the garden. By the time we got to Woodstock, We were half a million strong And everywhere was a song and a celebration. And I dreamed I saw the bomber death planes Riding shotgun in the sky, Turning into butterflies Above our nation. We are stardust, we are golden, We caught in the devilıs bargain, And we got to get ourselves back to the garden
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| John D'Oh | Jul 16 2009, 11:30 AM Post #119 |
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| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| ivorythumper | Jul 16 2009, 11:32 AM Post #120 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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| Mark | Jul 16 2009, 11:32 AM Post #121 |
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| Moonbat | Jul 16 2009, 11:32 AM Post #122 |
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It's not the world should or should not be different it's that, as far as i understand it, according to our best physical theories the world is.
My understanding is that it's implicit in the laws. The Hamiltonian is unitary both in classical (and relativistic) and in quantum mechanics. Note that as i said before if that were not true, then your question might not mean anything depending on what it would mean (if for instance all these possible past states were equally real then asking which one was real wouldn't make sense). |
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| Renauda | Jul 16 2009, 11:38 AM Post #123 |
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I came upon a child of god He was walking along the road And I asked him, where are you going And this he told me Im going on down to yasgurs farm Im going to join in a rock n roll band Im going to camp out on the land Im going to try an get my soul free We are stardust We are golden And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden Then can I walk beside you I have come here to lose the smog And I feel to be a cog in something turning Well maybe it is just the time of year Or maybe its the time of man I dont know who l am But you know life is for learning We are stardust We are golden And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden By the time we got to woodstock We were half a million strong And everywhere there was song and celebration And I dreamed I saw the bombers Riding shotgun in the sky And they were turning into butterflies Above our nation We are stardust Billion year old carbon We are golden Caught in the devils bargain And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden ~Joni Mitchell: Woodstock |
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| sue | Jul 16 2009, 11:40 AM Post #124 |
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wow. |
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| kenny | Jul 16 2009, 11:42 AM Post #125 |
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I came upon a child of god He was walking along the road And I asked him, where are you going And this he told me Im going on down to yasgurs farm Im going to join in a rock n roll band Im going to camp out on the land Im going to try an get my soul free We are stardust We are golden And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden Then can I walk beside you I have come here to lose the smog And I feel to be a cog in something turning Well maybe it is just the time of year Or maybe its the time of man I dont know who l am But you know life is for learning We are stardust We are golden And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden By the time we got to woodstock We were half a million strong And everywhere there was song and celebration And I dreamed I saw the bombers Riding shotgun in the sky And they were turning into butterflies Above our nation We are stardust Billion year old carbon We are golden Caught in the devils bargain And weve got to get ourselves Back to the garden |
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Dewey just posted a 1\2 inch post in a religious thread.
Well, I came upon a child of God

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